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He describes the various musical groups he performs with, including jazz bands and a Jewish singing group he participates in that includes him and three cantors. Also covered is Bockman's musical background in jazz and how he financially supported himself as a jazz musician while attending rabbinical school. Specific commentary is provided on his playing with Rabbi Jules Harlow, and how Bockman plays jazz on the shofar; the interview concludes with brief demonstrations of him playing jazz on this instrument.\u0026nbsp;\u003c/p\u003e"]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003e\u0026copy; Milken Family Foundation. Unauthorized use is prohibited. 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You have –\n\nBOCKMAN: Yes. I, I play the trumpet also. And I’m in a few bands right now; I’m in a traditional New Orleans brass band called the Bone Tone Brass Band. And I play in a, a band that plays jazz and klezmer, called the Panorama Jazz Band.  And, and I’m in a Jewish singing group, called the, called Beignet Yisrael.\n\nLEVIN:  Now, what’s that?\n\nBOCKMAN:  That’s a, it’s a vocal quartet.  One rabbi, three cantors.  And…\n\nLEVIN:  Who are the cantors?\n\nBOCKMAN: Well, there’s, there’s a cantorial soloist, Tory May, from Gates of Prayer.  And then…\n\nLEVIN:  Where? In…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=16.0,63.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BOCKMAN:  In New Orleans.  In, in Metairie.  And, and two cantors who used to live in New Orleans and, and this past year, moved elsewhere. One of them is in Falls Church, Virginia, at, at Rodef Shalom.  His name is Cantor Michael Shocket.  And the other one is Jordan Franzel.  And he’s at Central Synagogue in New York.\n\nLEVIN:  He just started?\n\nBOCKMAN:  He just started there this past year, right before the fire.\n\nLEVIN:  Now, tell me — you, you, you had musical training in jazz, or in, or, or classical on the trumpet?  Or what was your main, you know…\n\nBOCKMAN:  I mostly, mostly, mostly jazz. I, when I, I grew up playing trumpet in, in my school band.  And, and with the, with the theater arts orchestra in high school, and, and the, and this, and the, the marching band and the, and the orchestra and, you know, all the various things that we had at our school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=63.0,118.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And when you decided to become a rabbi…\n\nBOCKMAN:  Well, when I decided — I, I kept on playing throughout college.  And I took music courses and things like that. But, but I decided, I decided eventually to, to graduate and, and go to rabbinical school, instead of becoming a musician or a physicist or linguist or whatever. So I kept on, I kept on playing, though.  And it was very good for me, because when I was in rabbinical school, I was very poor, you know.  And you have to support your…\n\nLEVIN:  That’s how you did it?\n\nBOCKMAN:  …support your habits.  So I played music, and I — yeah.  That was about half of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=118.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Now, how much of that was jazz-jazz?  I mean, when did you get into jazz, as opposed to just whatever, you know…\n\nBOCKMAN:  Well, I’ve liked jazz since I was, since I was in junior high, high school, really.  But I, I learned more about it when I was in college.  And I studied in UC San Diego. And I was in the, the jazz ensemble there and the, and we had a, we had a kind of poppy jazz band, also.\n\nLEVIN:  Did you ever — when you were at the seminary, I mean, you must have been one of the only ones who played any instrument.  It used to be, you know, if you went — I don’t know if you are aware of this, but if you would go back 50, 60 years to the rabbinical school, you would have found quite a number of rabbinical students who played the violin, who — because, you know, everyone, people, Jews gave music lessons, and so forth. But you don’t find, find that today.  So you must have been one of the only ones.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=152.0,208.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BOCKMAN:  Well, I was, I was only one, I was one of the few hardcore ones.  I used to spend a lot of nights down, down in, in the village playing the Blue Note and whatever, at their jam session, after-hours.  And in the subways and stuff. But, but there’s still a lot of rabbis who play music.\n\nLEVIN:  Really?\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.  There’s a Rabbi Sam Feldman, who, who plays, he has a group in New York called The Bluesberry Jam.  And he plays more kind of Grateful Dead sort of stuff.  He’s a…\n\nLEVIN:  Yeah.  But that’s not what I mean.  Yeah.\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.  But there, but there are other, there are other people who…  Rabbi Jules Harlow, who did the…\n\nLEVIN:  Well, I was going to ask you about Harlow.  But that’s my point.  That’s a generational thing there.\n\nBOCKMAN:  Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=208.0,249.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  We’ll come back to Harlow in a moment.  But did you ever give any thought, for example, when you were at the seminary, could you, if you had wanted to, could you have formed a, even a four-man ensemble to, a rabbinical jazz, a rabbinical student jazz ensemble or something?\n\nBOCKMAN:  It’s hard to find, to find the time to do all that work with it. But what we did, we, we put on theater productions there.  And, and I, and I was part of the band for that.  And…\n\nLEVIN:  Now, what about Harlow?  Did you ever play with him?\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.\n\nLEVIN:  Now, Jules Harlow is a…\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.\n\nLEVIN:  …very fine jazz clarinetist.  Or general clarinetist.\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.  Yeah.  And he and I have played together, and we’re friends. And I’ve tried to get him down here, to bring him in Preservation Hall, but he, he’s kind of a little reticent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=249.0,290.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Why?  He’s…\n\nBOCKMAN:  He actually wants to, but he’s never…\n\nLEVIN:  Well, he’s got the time.  He’s retired now, for…\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah, that’s true.\n\nLEVIN:  …retired a few years.\n\nBOCKMAN:  That’s true.\n\nLEVIN:  I mean…\n\nBOCKMAN:  It’s, I guess he can’t be in the summer, though, because it’s, the weather’s too hot.\n\nLEVIN:  Yeah.  But you should see what you could do. Now, how did you get to jazz on the shofar?  That’s…\n\nBOCKMAN:  Well, I, I mean, that’s not my major instrument.\n\nLEVIN:  No.\n\nBOCKMAN: My major instrument is the trumpet.  But it’s very similar.  And so I just, I play anything that, that, any instrument somebody hands me.\n\nLEVIN:  Well, have you played, have you used the shofar in any, in public?  In any dance band or jazz band or performance?\n\nBOCKMAN:  I’ve, I’ve gone to jam sessions with it.  Especially every, every year, before Rosh Hashanah in the, during the month of Elul, the last month of the year, when you, you’re supposed to blow the shofar every day.  And I bring it along with me, and to, to sessions at clubs, and stuff, and play it.  And depending on the, depending on the musicians there, some of them…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=290.0,342.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  But what do you do with it?\n\nBOCKMAN:  …really enjoy it.\n\nLEVIN:  I mean, you don’t have the notes that you have on the trumpet.\n\nBOCKMAN:  You got plenty of notes.\n\nLEVIN:  Specific notes? You-\n\nBOCKMAN:  Well, no.  They’re, they’re, it’s, it’s like any, it’s like any valveless instrument.\n\nLEVIN:  Right.\n\nBOCKMAN:  That you have to do it with your lip, instead of…\n\nLEVIN:  But you can do it?\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.\n\nLEVIN:  Alright.  So we’re going to demonstrate that.  Did you develop this yourself?\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.\n\nLEVIN:  Did you hear it anywhere else?  Have you ever heard anyone…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=342.0,364.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BOCKMAN:  No.  But I’ll tell you — in the Mishnah from 2,000 years ago, there, it, they talk about, it, it says the, all the different rules of blowing the shofar. And it says, when you listen to the shofar, if you, like if you’re walking outside, does that count as having fulfilled the commandment, fulfilled the mitzvah of, of hearing the shofar blown on, on Rosh Hashanah?  And in one place in the Mishnah, it says, if you, the person who’s blowing it for, for music, for musical purposes. So apparently, in Mishnaic times, they used it as a music, musical instrument.  And people would play it musically, rather than just ritually. So I got the idea from that.  I said, if they could do it, I could do it. And I, my, my first pulpit was in Kansas City.  So that’s another big jazz town.  And so I think I was destined to come to New Orleans at some point and, and, and play the shofar here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=364.0,419.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  You’re not going play it in the jazz fest at all, are you?\n\nBOCKMAN:  No.  I — well, I, I don’t know.  I might, next Sunday.  I’m not sure what, what — we haven’t, we haven’t decided which, which songs we’re playing yet.  But maybe I’ll play it there. (PLAYS SHOFAR)\n\nLEVIN: That was great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=419.0,493.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BOCKMAN: The Jazz – remember, jazz means a lot of different, jazz, jazz means a lot. And there’s a lot of specifics that it means, especially in New Orleans. But, but I think the ensemble playing is something that is very indicative of New Orleans jazz.  And you don’t have that, when you have one shofar.  So you can’t hear it with it.  With a, with a, with a band going though, and, and taking a solo on a trumpet — on a shofar — is a, it’s a very cool thing.\n\nLEVIN:  Do you want to play something else?\n\nBOCKMAN:  Okay.  Let’s see.  I don’t what other tune to play.  I’m sure I know most, I must know other…\n\nLEVIN:  A Bix Beiderbecke.\n\nBOCKMAN:  Yeah.  That’s a little, that’s challenging.  That is.\n\nLEVIN:  Charlie Parker.\n\nBOCKMAN:  Charlie Parker. Alright.  I’ll, let me play a New Orleans, a New Orleans tune.  A, a brass band tune, called Little Liza Jane.  It’s a…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=493.0,546.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975/transcript/35331/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Go on.\n\nBOCKMAN: (PLAYS SHOFAR)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40311/file/111975#t=546.0,597.67467"}]}]}]}