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And we are glad to be with you.\n\nBENAROYA: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=29.0,41.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: We will start with recording, Reverend, of your blessing for the meal, Birkat Hamazon, which, after you sing it, you will tell me something about the piece — when you did it and how you did it.\n\nBENAROYA: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=41.0,58.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: So, we will start by singing it.\n\nBENAROYA: (Sings it) Can we…\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. You can repeat it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=58.0,91.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Can we repeat?\n\nSEROUSSI: Yes, please.\n\nBENAROYA: I cannot recall the ritual. (Sings it again)\n\nSEROUSSI: Very good. When did you compose this? When did…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=91.0,351.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: I have a friend, a very good friend, he is a, he is a, David, David — oh.\n\nSEROUSSI: You don’t remember. Never mind. He is from Seattle, or from…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=351.0,374.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yes, yes. He’s, he was president over here.\n\nSEROUSSI: Of the congregation.\n\nBENAROYA: In, in the congregation at the time. And he, he told me, “Reverend, we are going to come, but we don’t know anything about singing the Birkat Hamazon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=374.0,389.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it is, is very important for us that we can combine something, you can compose something that can, that we can use for our Birkat Hamazon in the camp.”\n\nSEROUSSI: In the summer camps for the youth?\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=389.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: When was this?\n\nBENAROYA: When was it?\n\nSEROUSSI: After — immediately after you came, or…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=410.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Oh, after. Oh, way after. Sure. Sure. The question is…\n\nSEROUSSI: Tell me again. When did you came to, when did you come to America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=418.0,432.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: In, in 1952.\n\nSEROUSSI: 1952.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: And you came straight to Seattle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=432.0,439.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah, yah. I came straight…\n\nSEROUSSI: Straight to Seattle.\n\nBENAROYA: From Seattle, from, from Geneva, Geneva to Seattle, Washington.\n\nSEROUSSI: To Seattle, Washington.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=439.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: The community here invited you to come here?\n\nBENAROYA: Yah, yah, yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: So you…\n\nBENAROYA: Through, through, through Dr. De Sola Pool in Garden State.\n\nSEROUSSI: In, in New York?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=450.0,462.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: In New York, yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: Dr. De Sola Pool knew about you and he recommended you to…\n\nBENAROYA: Oh he, he knows, he knows, he, not only he knows, he knew me and we, we were together in the banquet in Geneva, Switzerland.\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=462.0,477.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: And the, we, we knew each other very nice.\n\nSEROUSSI: So, he, he recommended you to the community here?\n\nBENAROYA: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: To be cantor?\n\nBENAROYA: Through a friend of mine, Ben Passat, in Mexico City. Ben, Ben Passat was, was the, and the, and, and, intervene, intervening…\n\nSEROUSSI: Yah, yah, yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=477.0,504.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: There was the middle person.\n\nBENAROYA: Was the middle, some, who will talk to, will talk to Rabbi, Dr., Dr. De Sola Pool and he told me to no matter — in Spanish, I mean.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yes, say it in Spanish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=504.0,520.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: (In Spanish) And he was then the intermediary to, to talk to Dr. De Sola Pool. 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Mostly, yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: Now what were your, your activities when you came here? How did they receive you? How…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=580.0,589.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Well, well I, I was at that time very responsible. I, I was going to, to, to take care of the, of the bookkeeping that the congregation. And their, I was also a, in, in charge to, to be, to, to take, to be in, involved with, with a, young people who wanted to learn hazzanut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=589.0,630.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: I understand.\n\nBENAROYA: I, I…\n\nSEROUSSI: Did you actually teach singing? You said you already taught hazzanut here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=630.0,638.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: There was it was formal? It was like classes or individual?\n\nBENAROYA: No, individual.\n\nSEROUSSI: Individual.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: They used to come…\n\nBENAROYA: They came to my house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=638.0,648.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: They came to your house?\n\nBENAROYA: Yah, yah, yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: And you taught them. What did you teach them?\n\nBENAROYA: Well…\n\nSEROUSSI: You, you taught them the, the, for example, maqam, so you taught them more…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=648.0,659.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Different, diff, sometimes, some maqamim. Sometimes, for example, for example, the tefilah how to say, to say it to the public.\n\nSEROUSSI: I understand.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: I understand. 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I mean, you could communicate with Ladino with no problems?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=739.0,754.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah, yes. Yes, of a, they, the most, most of the people, they knew Ladino. It, it was the first generation.\n\nSEROUSSI: Uh-huh.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: Now for how many years you, you were cantor? 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What were the problems?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=854.0,864.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Well I, I didn’t have a, the right to come to the United States, because I was Turkish citizen.\n\nSEROUSSI: Uh-huh.\n\nBENAROYA: And finally, after nine months or, or more, or more, some lawyer find, find the, the solution. 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And you were a child in the community. So, let’s move a little bit to Bikur Holim when you were a child. Who were the hazzanim, and what were the musical, what was the musical situation then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=900.0,919.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Right. The hazzanim is, that I remember were, alem hashalom, Nissim Azose. And his father was one of the rabbis of the community, Harbi Shelomo Azose.\n\nBENAROYA: (?)\n\nAZOSE: I do not remember him. 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We built ourselves a tevah, aron hakodesh, bring a couple of sefarim, and we started services.\n\nSEROUSSI: When was this? 19…\n\nAZOSE: 1962.\n\nSEROUSSI: 1962.\n\nAZOSE: Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1322.0,1350.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: So then, so then, both communities had presence here…\n\nAZOSE: That’s right.\n\nSEROUSSI: But they still were…\n\nAZOSE: They still — just the Bikur Holim.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: Because Ezra Bessaroth was completely out of there.\n\nSEROUSSI: Uh-huh.\n\nAZOSE: Right. So, we had services going on in the central area, and we had services going on here. And without seeming to blow my own horn…\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: …I knew the services backwards and forwards. Whether it was Yamim Nora’im or the Moadim or Shabbat.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1350.0,1377.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: The only thing that I couldn’t do and had not been trained to do was to do an entire parasha, week after week after week after week. 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Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: …appointed career as hazzan…\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: …is in this community, and not in your mother community.\n\nAZOSE: Exactly.\n\nSEROUSSI: If I understand well.\n\nAZOSE: That’s exactly right.\n\nSEROUSSI: Can you elaborate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1437.0,1465.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: His name was, alav hashalom, and they gave him the title of “Reverend”, also — the Reverend David Behar.\n\nSEROUSSI: Uh-huh.\n\nAZOSE: And it’s a big family…\n\nSEROUSSI: Do you think it was David Behar that… no.\n\nAZOSE: No. I’m, I’m sure it’s not. No.\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay.\n\nAZOSE: At any rate, if I can tell the, if you’ve got a few minutes to tell the story, in 1965, on the second day of Shavuot, my mother — and my mother, God give her many years, is still living. She’ll be 95, God willing, in August.\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh, my God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1465.0,1496.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: My father, alav hashalom, passed away in ’87. But my mother still lives in the home that they occupied on Seward Park Avenue, about a mile and a half from here. A small, white, wooden house. And on the second day of Shavuot, we were home for lunch. And I heard a knock at the door. And I was there with them for lunch. So, I answered the door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1496.0,1516.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And it happened to be the president of the Ezra Bessaroth, whose name was Robert Franco, or Yitzhak Franco. And he said moadim l’simcha to everybody, and he says, “Ike, can I see you outside on the porch for a minute?”So, I excused myself. 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At any rate, he twisted my arm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1541.0,1565.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And about a month before Rosh Hashanah, they asked me to come for a meeting with Reverend Behar, the hazzan. And with the president.\n\nSEROUSSI: But what was the reason they would invite you? Just to support Reverend Behar? I mean, to…\n\nAZOSE: No. To replace him. To replace him.\n\nSEROUSSI: Why? 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It was a shock to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1585.0,1602.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He opened — the Reverend Behar opened — the conversation by saying, “All right. Sing me the Nishmat of Rosh Hashanah.”So, I sang the Nishmat of Rosh Hashanah. Now, what would you expect me to sing? 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But in March, the beginning of March, I got an official call.\n\nSEROUSSI: Of the year after?\n\nAZOSE: Yeah, of the year after. 1966.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yes.\n\nAZOSE: “We would like you to become our hazzan.”\n\nSEROUSSI: Huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1734.0,1758.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: “Okay, fine. Thank you very much.”\n\nSEROUSSI: With contract and salary and…\n\nAZOSE: Contract signed and everything. But I have to say that it took me three years before I learned those two pieces specifically. They, they have a different maqam. It’s, it’s more lilting, more joyous for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur than what I learned at the Bikur Holim, which is more somber, more serious. At any rate, I learned that. The, the maqam was not too difficult.\n\nSEROUSSI: And then, and then you learned more, more pieces?\n\nAZOSE: Oh, yes. I learned more pieces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1758.0,1787.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: So you had to learn the, the…\n\nAZOSE: I, I had…\n\nSEROUSSI: …whatever they did here?AZOSE: Shabbat is no problem. Because in essence, it’s the same.\n\nSEROUSSI: Uh-huh.\n\nAZOSE: In essence, it’s all the same. Whether Dodes Li or Taqir Dali or, or from Turkey, it didn’t matter. 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Ones that you brought from Bikur Holim.\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: And ones that you invented.\n\nAZOSE: Exactly.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1807.0,1823.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: I can’t say I invented. I, I’ve got to give credit to wherever credit is due. The Ladino Romanzas are not mine.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah, well, but you invented…\n\nAZOSE: Yeah.\n\nSEROUSSI: …in the sense that you…\n\nAZOSE: That I adapted them to the liturgy. Exactly.\n\nSEROUSSI: …adapted them. Now, can we have, I mean what were those famous two pieces that David Behar gave you? 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And this is what the — Reverend, this is different from what you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1843.0,1923.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Completely.\n\nBENAROYA: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: Very different.\n\nBENAROYA: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: What’s your opinion about this maqam?\n\nBENAROYA: Ha-ha. I don’t know. I don’t know.\n\nSEROUSSI: Now, now let me ask you, let me ask you both. I mean you, you are saying, you know, this is a different maqam. But did, really, people talk about the, the maqam or…\n\nAZOSE: No.\n\nSEROUSSI: No, no, they didn’t.\n\nAZOSE: No.\n\nSEROUSSI: They talk about melody or…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=1923.0,1945.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: But I, I think the Reverend was right. Reverend Behar was right in that the people were used to that.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: And were expecting to hear that. And even though I think most of them were polite in coming up to me that first Rosh Hashanah to say, “Hazek a barukh, it was wonderful,” I think, you know, they still missed hearing the old tune that, that had been sung at the Ezra Bessaroth for years and years and years. 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Hmmm-mmm.\n\nSEROUSSI: Now what…\n\nAZOSE: I have a picture with myself in the choir.\n\nSEROUSSI: As a, as a child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2031.0,2045.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: As a, well, I was a young boy of…\n\nSEROUSSI: A young boy.\n\nAZOSE: …12, 13, 14, maybe.\n\nSEROUSSI: What, what this choir did in the, in the synagogue? I mean, what’s the…\n\nAZOSE: The choir didn’t last very long. It lasted for years and years here, but it’s on its way out. It’s on its way to being phased out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2045.0,2061.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Unfortunately, I have a selfish reason for wanting the choir. Because it gives me a respite.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: As the only hazzan, especially on Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah, I need a break once in a while. And the choir gives me that break. But what were they singing? They were singing tunes that were composed by, alav hashalom, Samuel Goldfarb. You may or may not have heard of him. 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I mean, they all sang…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2090.0,2113.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: …there was no…\n\nAZOSE: They had a choir leader.\n\nSEROUSSI: …parts or also no music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2113.0,2116.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Occasionally. No, they had music. But there was only, there were only one or two of them that read music and were capable of, you know, following along with the music. But the…\n\nSEROUSSI: The rest just sang by ear?\n\nAZOSE: They, they all sang by ear. The choir leader would…\n\nSEROUSSI: Can you give me an example of one of these melodies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2116.0,2131.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: I mean, you should know them.\n\nAZOSE: (Sings one) You want…\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: …some others?\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. This, this is from, by, by Goldfarb?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2131.0,2156.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: I’m not positive that he was the one that composed it. But, I mean, he was the one that taught these to the choir. Taught these songs, compositions, to the choir.\n\nSEROUSSI: Because I think it’s a Sephardic melody.\n\nAZOSE: You think so? There was one that…\n\nSEROUSSI: But he, he taught the choir here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2156.0,2172.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Yes.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nAZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: So, he was from Seattle.\n\nAZOSE: From Seattle.\n\nSEROUSSI: An Ashkenazi Jew from Seattle.\n\nAZOSE: He was the musical director at the Temple De Hirsch, the Reform Temple here in Seattle.\n\nSEROUSSI: And he used to come and teach here the songs?\n\nAZOSE: That’s right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2172.0,2184.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: And it didn’t bother the community that he was from a Reform temple?\n\nAZOSE: Not at all. Not at all.\n\nSEROUSSI: What, what else? Interesting.\n\nAZOSE: There’s one…\n\nSEROUSSI: You see, there is always something new.\n\nAZOSE: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: This is also something that you did not mention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2184.0,2196.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: There is one tune that was being sung, as I recall, by the choir here. But I heard it first from my uncle, Bension Maimon, the hazzan there, before I ever heard it from the choir here. That’s the Rau Banim. And this tune. 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But you know the Rau Banim, don’t you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2238.0,2264.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: Reverend?\n\nAZOSE: I’m sure he knows it.\n\nBENAROYA: No, no this, this one.\n\nAZOSE: You heard it, you heard it from Bension, I’m sure. Right.\n\nBENAROYA: No, no.\n\nSEROUSSI: You don’t…\n\nAZOSE: No?\n\nSEROUSSI: In Turkey, you don’t remember this tune?\n\nBENAROYA: In, in Turkey I, I left things.\n\nSEROUSSI: There was a tune for Rau Banim in Turkey?\n\nBENAROYA: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: Sing me one. You, if you can remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2264.0,2282.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: (Sings one)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2282.0,2377.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: You know this?\n\nAZOSE: Never heard of it.\n\nSEROUSSI: You never heard of it.\n\nAZOSE: No.\n\nSEROUSSI: Very interesting. But you notice that this is also a little bit European. Not very Turkish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2377.0,2387.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Sure.\n\nAZOSE: That’s true.\n\nBENAROYA: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: Now, so you…\n\nBENAROYA: And — excuse me. We used to have a, a choir in, in, in, on (INAUDIBLE) in the (INAUDIBLE).\n\nSEROUSSI: In (INAUDIBLE).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2387.0,2400.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah, yah. We used to, we used to sing with the choir so many times for Friday night, Saturday morning, and, and the holidays, High Holidays.\n\nSEROUSSI: So, there was a tradition of choirs in, in the Sephardic community?\n\nAZOSE: Apparently.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. And now, so you inherited the choir, too, as cantor, as hazzan here, and you learned how to work with a choir?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2400.0,2424.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Absolutely.\n\nSEROUSSI: (mumbles) And the choir still exists, to this very day?\n\nAZOSE: It does to this day, but it’s being phased out.\n\nSEROUSSI: Why?\n\nAZOSE: Because we’re getting more and more young…\n\nBENAROYA: People.\n\nAZOSE: …religious couples, Orthodox couples, that prefer not to listen to the choir. They prefer more of the Sephardic tunes and maqamim, rather than to hear the choir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2424.0,2445.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The choir itself has lost some of its steam, to tell you the truth. The choir leader himself recently came down with Alzheimer’s, and they don’t have somebody else that can rejuvenate it.\n\nSEROUSSI: So, going back to the question that we started from…\n\nAZOSE: Okay.\n\nSEROUSSI: …concerning the, the, let’s say, the language of music within the synagogue. So, people talked about melodies. They didn’t talk about maqams.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2445.0,2472.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: That’s true.\n\nSEROUSSI: Would, would you say that only when the Reverend comes did the concept of, of having a prayer in a maqam and, and improvising…\n\nBENAROYA: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: …starts or…\n\nAZOSE: I, I don’t agree with that. Because…\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay.\n\nAZOSE: …I think that Nissim Azose and my uncle Bension, for example, depending on the holiday or depending on the particular Shabbat, they had a particular tune to a particular maqam.\n\nSEROUSSI: I understand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2472.0,2498.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: They may not have been able to say the maqam.\n\nSEROUSSI: To name it.\n\nAZOSE: To name it.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: To name the maqam. But they knew that…\n\nSEROUSSI: In this…\n\nAZOSE: …this holiday, this holiday you sing this, this style.\n\nSEROUSSI: This style.\n\nAZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: I understand. So, they called, they talked more in terms of styles, rather than…\n\nAZOSE: Possibly. But I, I think, you know, I’ve heard my uncle Bension, for example, mention maqam Hajaz, maqam Shabbat, maqam Hoseini.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2498.0,2519.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: Now, let me ask you this, because I cannot ask the Reverend this, because he will be impartial. When he comes to town…\n\nAZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: …there is talking about his coming? I mean, it was, you know, a professional Turkish hazzan coming…\n\nAZOSE: Before he came?\n\nSEROUSSI: No, when he comes. What did…\n\nAZOSE: What do you mean when he comes?\n\nSEROUSSI: What was the reaction? When he comes, in 1952?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2519.0,2540.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: I wasn’t here. I was in England.\n\nSEROUSSI: You were in England. Okay.\n\nAZOSE: That’s right.\n\nSEROUSSI: You did not hear…\n\nAZOSE: I, no. But I did hear from the community that Reverend Benaroya is in town now. He is our new hazzan. We like him very much. And, you know, he got good…\n\nSEROUSSI: From your family?\n\nAZOSE: Yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: From letters and…\n\nAZOSE: Yes. Absolutely.\n\nSEROUSSI: Absolutely. Do you feel that the Reverend changed something in Bikur Holim?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2540.0,2562.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Absolutely. He’s got a wonderful following among — well, it used to be the young boys, and now, many of them have grown up into older, or young men with families. And they still remember the times, the days that they spent learning with the Reverend.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. Who is the hazzan now in Bikur Holim?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2562.0,2581.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Frank Varon.\n\nSEROUSSI: Frank Varon.\n\nAZOSE: Varon.\n\nSEROUSSI: Varon.\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: Did he study with you, Reverend?\n\nBENAROYA: Yah, yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: He’s your…\n\nBENAROYA: The poor man, he didn’t, he didn’t know any, nothing about hazzanut. But, little by little, he was quite curious to know to know. And…\n\nSEROUSSI: So, this is one of the people that used to come to your home and you used to…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2581.0,2608.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Yah, yah, yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: …teach them.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah, he came, he came many times. So, it’s true.\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay. Now, what would you say, you know, because we want to, to get to the present, the present situation of hazzanut — Sephardic hazzanut — in Seattle is today, in both Bikur Holim and Ezra Bessaroth? You told me like yesterday, that they are looking for a new hazzan to replace you, since you are retiring…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2608.0,2634.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Right. At the end of this year.\n\nSEROUSSI: By the way, are you going to do the Holy Days or not this year?\n\nAZOSE: My contract requires me to be here until December 31st.\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh, okay. 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I have no idea how many there are.\n\nBENAROYA: Ninety-two…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2645.0,2672.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: But he said, he himself. And he said only Moshe Habusha knows 72 of them.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: But he himself knows 36.\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh, okay.\n\nAZOSE: I said, that’s marvelous.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: But he…\n\nSEROUSSI: How, how was — he did a Shabbat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2672.0,2686.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Yes. He did very well. Very nicely. The only criticism that I heard of him was that, you know how sometimes, hazzanim are. They’ll really sing and embellish a part, and then zip! — they rush through the next section, until it comes time for the next part where they can sing again. And then zip! — again. So, I, I heard some complaints that he was a little too fast. That people just couldn’t keep up with him.\n\nSEROUSSI: Couldn’t keep up with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2686.0,2710.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: But his voice was very pleasant. I have to say that.\n\nSEROUSSI: And his style of singing wasn’t…\n\nAZOSE: It wasn’t bad. It — not our particular style.\n\nSEROUSSI: (INAUDIBLE)\n\nAZOSE: Yeah.\n\nSEROUSSI: I’m telling, I’m telling in, in comparison to what the community is used from, from you.\n\nAZOSE: Yeah. Well, you see, we have, in our community here, a lot of Moroccans, a lot of Israelis, that are used to that particular type of singing. So, they were very happy with him. Very happy. I was happy, also. I am familiar with the Syrian, the Iraqi, Egyptian tradition. And…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2710.0,2739.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: So, did you, you don’t predict any problem in, to moving into more, let’s say, more Arabic style? Because this community was a Ladino-speaking community.\n\nAZOSE: I was just going to point that out.\n\nSEROUSSI: Do you think — let me ask you something more specific.\n\nAZOSE: Yeah. Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: Do you think your Kedushah will be perpetuated?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2739.0,2754.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: I think it will. I think it will. Because they’ve asked me, the community has asked me to — I would have done this, anyway — to record the entire liturgy of the Ezra Bessaroth for future generations. And I am sure that they will ask any future hazzan to learn as much of the liturgy as he can. But speaking of Ladino, after the candidate left, they had an evaluation meeting. And I asked if I could come to it. The, the hazzan search committee.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2754.0,2784.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And one of the first questions I asked was, how important is Ladino to the future of the Ezra Bessaroth? The reason I asked that question is because, particularly on Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, we have a booklet — an entire booklet — that’s dedicated to Ladino piyyutim.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2784.0,2805.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: The congregation may not understand it, but they want to hear it. They’re used to hearing it.\n\nSEROUSSI: So, you actually do the piyyutim in Ladino?\n\nAZOSE: Absolutely. Absolutely.\n\nSEROUSSI: Like L’kha Yedid Ashokatil…\n\nAZOSE: No, no. That’s not, no.\n\nBENAROYA: No, no. (INAUDIBLE) Hineni. No.\n\nSEROUSSI: (INAUDIBLE) Hineni?\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: Shopharot Khol Haaretz.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2805.0,2822.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Shopharot Khol H’aritz, Im Hafetz.\n\nBENAROYA: Im Hafetz.\n\nAZOSE: Right? Eytz Shaare Hazon.\n\nSEROUSSI: Eytz Shaare Hazon.\n\nBENAROYA: Eytz Shaare Hazon.\n\nAZOSE: Sure.\n\nSEROUSSI: Not entire piyyutim. Just parts of…\n\nAZOSE: No, the entire piyyut. Now see, actually, they’ve got a booklet that was composed by the last great rabbi of Rhodes, the Reuven Leal Yisroel.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yisroel.\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yisroel, yeah.\n\nAZOSE: And they just copied that verbatim.\n\nSEROUSSI: Here?\n\nAZOSE: Here.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nAZOSE: That’s right. Reverend Behar was the first one to do that, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2822.0,2848.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: So, so what was the answer of the…\n\nAZOSE: Half…\n\nSEROUSSI: You, you…\n\nAZOSE: It’s split. Half the committee said it’s very important. The younger members of the committee says, well, nobody really understands it anymore. Why should we continue?But there are other parts of the service throughout the year. For example, the Ein Keloheinu…\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2848.0,2868.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: I mean, most of the congregation knows that by heart by now.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah, but that’s really easy, yeah.\n\nAZOSE: That’s very easy. But other things, such as the Kitab al-Dalil on Shavuot, Megillat Ruth, which we read on the first and the second day of Shavuot, we read in Hebrew and Ladino, as well. So…\n\nSEROUSSI: Reverend, in, in Bikur Holim also, they read parts in Ladino or not? Or only, only in Hebrew?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2868.0,2891.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: They, no, no. They, they don’t, because the hazzan himself, he is not in, in party, in, in part, in accordance with, with the reading in Ladino. He said it is, it is an, the older generation. The new generation doesn’t know anything about it.\n\nSEROUSSI: They don’t understand.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2891.0,2912.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: Now the, the situation in Bikur Holim is that Mr. Varon is the cantor and, and everybody is satisfied, and they are happy and…\n\nAZOSE: To the best of my knowledge, they are, yes.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. He’s a young…\n\nAZOSE: He’s a young man.\n\nBENAROYA: He’s a young man, a young man, yah.\n\nAZOSE: Right.\n\nSEROUSSI: Reverend, do you want, before…\n\nAZOSE: Five minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2912.0,2932.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: Yah, before Isaac leaves, do you want to sing something together? Something from Bikur Holim. Some, some piece that you think it’s very representative of the community…\n\nBENAROYA: What, what can we sing?\n\nSEROUSSI: Some piyyut, some songs, some…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2932.0,2953.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: Well, do you remember when Dr. Seroussi came to my house to record you — the last time he was here in ’92, was it?\n\nSEROUSSI: ’92?\n\nAZOSE: In ’92. I took exception to your statement, and I guess I was wrong, that (SOUNDS LIKE L’shonik Khannuntah)…\n\nBENAROYA: Oh, yah.\n\nAZOSE: You said you brought it with you from Turkey, and I said…\n\nBENAROYA: Yes.\n\nAZOSE: …I thought I had heard it before.\n\nBENAROYA: No, no.\n\nAZOSE: And you said, absolutely not. But that’s a very nice piyyut.\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2953.0,2976.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: I know…\n\nAZOSE: I don’t know it by heart. I’d like to get, if I can, the, the Mahkzor, if we’ve got time.\n\nBENAROYA: Well, go and get the Mahkzor…\n\nAZOSE: Okay.\n\nBENAROYA: We, we’ll see…\n\nAZOSE: And you’ll do it by heart.\n\nBENAROYA: …first, first…\n\nAZOSE: Yes, yes?\n\nBENAROYA: …together. And before recording.\n\nAZOSE: Before, oh, before?\n\nBENAROYA: Before recording.\n\nAZOSE: He wants a trial first, before you…\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay. So, we will make a, a stop for a minute…\n\nAZOSE: Okay.\n\nSEROUSSI: He will bring the book.\n\nBENAROYA: Alright. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2976.0,2999.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: L’shonik Khannuntah is, is part of the…\n\nSEROUSSI: Tikkun Hageshem.\n\nBENAROYA: …part of the Tikkun Hageshem, with Tikkun Hatal, that I brought over here from, from Seattle, or there…\n\nSEROUSSI: From Turkey.\n\nAZOSE: From Turkey.\n\nSEROUSSI: From Turkey, you brought it.\n\nBENAROYA: From Turkey.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=2999.0,3017.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: There, I, I, I, I was, I, I was singing this piece, and in the, in the, with the two L’shonik Khannuntah, with the, with the maqam Hoseini as, as the, the Rabbi Bijarano (?), that he composed it himself, L’shonik Khannuntha.\n\nSEROUSSI: Rabbi Bijarano, who was the chief rabbi of Istanbul, if I remember well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3017.0,3050.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: Of, of Istanbul.\n\nSEROUSSI: And was Agron…\n\nBENAROYA: Indeed, a composer, also.\n\nSEROUSSI: …a composer, and a composer, and pytan, too, he wrote that.\n\nBENAROYA: They, the, he was composer, many, marvelous.\n\nSEROUSSI: Marvelous.\n\nBENAROYA: Marvelous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3050.0,3064.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: It’s his, it’s his composition, and L’shonik Khannuntah and (SOUNDS LIKE Heshkod Laib Gamenti) is, is the, the, the melody that…\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh. So he, he composed Heshkod Laib Gamenti…\n\nBENAROYA: Heshkod Laib Gamenti and yah, I took the tune from Heshkod Laib Gamenti, I adapted in, in, in…\n\nSEROUSSI: Oh. To L’shonik Khannuntha.\n\nBENAROYA: To L’shonik Khannuntah. Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3064.0,3090.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"AZOSE: You’re learning something new all the time.\n\nBENAROYA: Yah.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah. No, because Heshkod Laib Gamenti…\n\nAZOSE: Yes?\n\nSEROUSSI: …we have it recorded with the Reverend.\n\nAZOSE: Right. I remember that.\n\nSEROUSSI: And even, this is a song I teach to my students in Israel.\n\nAZOSE: Ah.\n\nSEROUSSI: In the class of my Turkish tradition, we have this now, with music and notation. And I explained that — so, so you adapted this to the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3090.0,3111.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"BENAROYA: For L’shonik Khannuntha.\n\nSEROUSSI: You, you, perhaps you remembered finding this before that? But never mind.\n\nAZOSE: It, it doesn’t matter.\n\nSEROUSSI: It doesn’t. Never mind.\n\nAZOSE: It doesn’t matter.\n\nSEROUSSI: In any case…\n\nAZOSE: Shall we try it?\n\nSEROUSSI: Shall we try it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3111.0,3122.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"(AZOSE AND BENAROYA SING IT)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3122.0,3198.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013/transcript/25045/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SEROUSSI: Beautiful. Perfect tuning, Reverend. Incredible.\n\nBENAROYA: Yeah, it is, it is very, it is very well, really.\n\nSEROUSSI: Yeah.\n\nBENAROYA: Everybody likes it, they really…\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay.\n\nBENAROYA: …love it.\n\nSEROUSSI: I want to thank you very much for everything. And I wish you a hundred and twenty years of health.\n\nAZOSE: Thanks.\n\nSEROUSSI: And keep singing. \n\nAZOSE: Thanks a lot.\n\nSEROUSSI: Okay? \n\nAZOSE: Thank you so much.\n\nINTERVIWER: Thank you very much.\n\nAZOSE: Thank you so much.\n\nSEROUSSI: Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40380/file/112013#t=3198.0,3231.82933"}]}]}]}