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I haven't been down to New Orleans in many, many years, so this is just beginning to come back. But just tell us a little bit about the history of this synagogue. You are here for a long time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=16.5,28.74"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I came in 1970 as rabbi. Temple Sinai, of the three Reform Jewish congregations in the city, was the first that was organized as a Reform congregation. The other two started, as is the case elsewhere, as orthodox congregations, that in the course of time moved into the Reform orbit. Sinai was organized in 1870 as a Reform Jewish congregation, and they invited as their rabbi... Well, he was called Reverend Gutheim, who had been in New Orleans previously as rabbi of Touro and Gates of Prayer, then he went to New York as rabbi of Temple Emanuel. But when the folks here organized Temple Sinai, they invited him to come here as the first rabbi, which he did. And in the course of years the congregation has had relatively few rabbis and, I guess that speaks something about congregations in the South, there wasn't, isn't a great turnover.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=29.34,97.77"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, Reverend, Reverend, they called Rabbi Gut, Gutheim?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=99.49,101.681"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Gutheim, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=103.23,103.57"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e He didn't have formal ordination?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=104.52,105.33"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=105.93,105.93"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Hebrew Union College didn't exist at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=106.722,106.726"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No. No he was, he didn't have a formal ordination. But that was the case back in those days with many who became congregational rabbis. In Europe they may have had some intensive Jewish training, were not ordained as rabbis, but when they came here, they assume that role and were very accepted as such.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=107.619,128.639"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, this synagogue, this building, what is the history of this building? It's not, this is obviously not the original?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=131.3,137.73"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Now this, well, we're sitting in the third edition, you might say. The first building of Temple Sinai no longer exists physically. Uh, well, on that wall there, you see some sketches of that building. And it is the site is now the parking garage of the K\u0026B building. And this is the second, our sanctuary, the large one, is the second home of Temple Sinai and was, I think, dedicated in 1928. This room in which we're sitting, the library, combination library board room is part of an addition that was made to the facilities in 1970 and at that point they was built as well. The small chapel which adjoins this room, which seats somewhat in the neighborhood of one hundred and thirty five persons. The sanctuary itself, let's say can seat about fourteen hundred people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=138.98,202.49"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Was that, the congregation was founded in 1870? I'd like to hear a little bit about what kind of community was here at the time. But, is it, was it a typical German Jewish congregation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=205.8,218.427"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, you have to remember somewhat the history of the Jews in New Orleans. Even today, New Orleans is predominantly a Reform Jewish community, and the leadership of the community in general was German Jewish. So that, this congregation, Temple Sinai, was made up of German Jewish families, or we might say some of them Alsatian Jews. These came to New Orleans largely because it was a port city and because of economic opportunity and the city was very welcoming to Jews even going back earlier than the influx of German Jews. They were very welcoming and Jews rose to positions of visible importance in the city, economically. And in fact, this morning I took a group around for about three hours who were visiting from Chicago, showing them places of Jewish associations in the city, and right close to us... well, let's say Tulane University, as an example, was the recipient of much Jewish philanthropy. Across the street at the entry to Audubon Park are columns that were erected in memory of a Jewish family. Right in back of it is a fountain that was given also in memory of a Jewish family. The president's home on the Tulane campus on St. Charles was the home of Samuel Zemurray, who was known as 'Banana Sam', who was head of United Fruit Lines. And he gave to the university not only the home, but other buildings as well, his daughter. Also bequeaths, not bequeaths, gave to the university dormitories. The Jews were involved in, largely in being, I guess we call them brokers, either sugar or coffee brokers, cotton brokers in the city and allied businesses, and they did very well. And they really gave back to the city in terms of institutions and their participation and cultural aspects of New Orleans. They gave back to the city something for what the city gave to them. And these were German Jews. The city, for I guess, reasons of geographic location didn't attract hordes of Jews of Eastern European background. But, we do have people in the city, descendants of such immigrants, but they were overwhelmed in numbers by the German, Alsatian, Bavarian Jews. The... and that, well as an example, years ago, let's say, when I was active here at Sinai, we'd have tourists get off the street car. They saw a synagogue. They wanted to see it. They asked about a kosher restaurant. We didn't have any in town. Its only in the last couple of years that we have a couple of places that sell bagels. We... Jews, well, a couple of years ago, I had a call from a woman who was, well she's the author of a number of cookbooks, and she was working on a cookbook that dealt with Jewish regional cooking. So she called me. She was up in Wisconsin and asked me whether I could check out with some German Jew... families here of German Jewish origin, what what cooking they did that was reminiscent of the old country. So I called friends whom I knew were third, fourth generation Jews in New Orleans. Asked about it, one of them says, well, I'll call Mel, well, his aunt, and she's the best cook in the family. So I got a call back from her two days later. She was laughing. She said, she said, we cook Bayou Lafourche, and that was the answer. They gave it up completely and adapted themselves to their environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=219.54,483.68"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e When it was built, when the original buildings built, these were Jews who had been here for what, a generation at least?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=485.95,495.23"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e At least, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=495.53,496.14"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So, and, you know, did they have an organ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=496.79,499.91"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=499.956,501.45"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So was it an (inaudible)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=501.95,503.009"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Haha, Yes. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=505.699,505.79"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, now is this, is it, is Sinai the synagogue where Emil Kitzinger ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=506.81,514.179"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e To my knowledge, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=514.291,514.97"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e From then until now, I mean, what was the format here? Lets talk about Sinai first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=515.505,523.784"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, if you are familiar, which I assume you are, with phrases like classic Reform, Sinai over the years was regarded as the most classic Reform of the three congregations. So that... as an example, the business of having a cantor. Historically, I think it was in 18, 1926 was a date of the last cantor at Sinai and we didn't have one until, how many years ago? Maybe three. Yeah, something like that, three or four years ago. The music tradition at Sinai over the years was with organ and a non-Jewish choir. And the music was shtark Lewandowski, which was, I suppose, common to the early Reform congregations in this country. In recent years, there has been an introduction of more contemporary sources of Jewish music. For our, I think it was the 110th anniversary of the congregation, we commissioned a worship service by Simon Sargon which was a big step for this congregation because the music itself didn't have much relationship to that, to which they were accustomed to before. And being regarded and believing, let's say, that they still represented the classic Reform tradition. Although we did in the course of more recent times, I guess during my time, my predecessor stuck to the old stuff, we were able in the course of time to introduce more contemporary creations. Now, I must confess that I'm not a cantor lover, you'll forgive me, won't you? And I am, let's say, I'm bothered by what appears to be a kind of theatrical aspect to the music service that many cantors seem to engage in, and I think for myself it intrudes upon what I would prefer to have a more worshipful sense present. Musically, the congregation rested upon the work of the choir and the organist. In more recent years, they have been more participatory. But this was rather typical of such Reform congregations that I guess you might call them historic Reform congregations in the country. And I was rabbi up in Cincinnati for 11 years and it turned out to be a congregation, when I came here, that was almost a twin of Sinai up in Cincinnati. And it had a similar kind of historic background, similar kind of musical tradition and so I felt very much at home here when I came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=524.75,748.41"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Today, is there, is still a largely, a kind of a hymn tradition that used to exist in the...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=751.703,763.48"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No today there's much more congregational participation in the liturgical aspects of the service. Not just the hymn singing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=764.289,772.15"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Congregational melodies?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=774.47,775.1"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=775.186,776.3"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Probably the congregation, I imagine they can, a much higher proportion couldn't read Hebrew than could...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=777.92,784.01"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=784.37,784.37"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e You still use the Union Prayer Book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=785.546,785.547"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, which one are you talking about? We use the old Union Prayer Book, but we use the new Union Prayer Book, yeah, we use the gender proof, Union Prayer Book at times. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=787.91,798.62"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But, what's the standard one used now? I mean...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=800.56,802.66"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e The standard is the, the newly revised, is that what we call it? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=803.68,808.651"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that still called Union? It's still...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=808.671,808.682"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No Gates of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=811.358,810.73"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh Gates of...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=811.45,811.69"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Gates of Prayer. Yeah, Gates of Prayer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=811.698,813.28"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Because Temple Emanuel still uses the same prayer book they used fifty years ago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=813.806,815.156"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. The Union Prayer Book. Yeah. In fact, when I went to, you talk about Vicksburg, now you have to remember, this is an old it's a dying out Jewish community. Year by year, there are fewer people, they maintain the congregation and will, but there are no new people coming in. And so the first year I went there, the folks who were in charge of the service asked me, which prayer book do you want to use? And I said, which do you have? Well, we have the Union Prayer Book and we have Gates of Prayer. And as I am talking with them became aware of the nature of the congregation, I said, let's use the Union Prayer Book. Why? There was no one there younger than 55 years of age. This was an old, I mean, in terms of years of membership an old congregation, these were people who were accustomed and I didn't feel as a visiting rabbi, I ought to upset them too much. So we use the Union Prayer Book up there and everybody is happy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=815.5,878.53"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e It has got some beautiful English in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=880.27,880.906"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=881.41,881.41"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, actually.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=882.07,882.4"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=883.27,883.66"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Still the best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=884.236,884.41"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I prefer... Yeah, I agree with you, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=884.98,887.71"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Just... Careful attention was paid to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=888.88,891.64"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I think, in terms of language, the nature of the liturgy should be uplifting. I don't address God as 'you', as an example. To me, that's impolite. And although one can argue theologically about God as King, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, I feel more comfortable in... for myself in addressing God as Thou. I don't feel as if He's a, excuse me, some people think a he she, let's not get involved in that one. But I, I don't look upon God as a ever present pal of mine, you know, that I knock around with all the time. So from my personal worship needs, I'd like to convey this to a congregation, of course. The language of the Union Prayer Book is more uplifting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=892.42,959.4"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e There are still some Reform, many actually, I mean, more than we realize in New York, many New Yorkers think everything...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=962.86,969.61"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that's a...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=970.479,970.671"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Around the country where there is the same classic Reform format, but more and more congregations, I don't know about the South. That's what I'm asking you. But around the country are saying, well, let's let's engage a cantor, a graduate of the school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=973.69,988.39"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e That seems to be the trend. Yeah. One could analyze that in terms of the reasons why. Um, it may be that, um, the desire to do so relates to a mood that has engaged many Reform congregations where they want to get back to roots, but they don't know what they are, but it appears as if, you know, people say it's more Jewish. Well, if it's more Jewish, let's do it. It also relates to the fact that, I think more congregations would like there to be a greater participation musically by the congregation and the presence of a cantor makes that possible. It may also relate to the historic development that has taken place within Reform Judaism since World War Two, where membership has come from folks of Eastern European background and who feel more comfortable with a cantor present as part of the worship service. There, I guess there are a whole slew of reasons why that has taken place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=989.14,1074.52"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I imagine that historically the situation was similar here in the sense, in the founding generation in that they had they really had nothing to fall back on. Because I mean, if in Germany they were really starting anew here, I mean, they didn't...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1077.05,1093.76"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1094.719,1094.719"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ...go out there for a rabbi who could give a sermon in German.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1094.785,1096.14"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well some did at the beginning. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1097.336,1098.96"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Some did like in Cincinnati.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1099.999,1100.421"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1100.423,1100.423"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e That wasn't the case here was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1100.15,1101.012"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1101.14,1101.14"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e No. They were, the middle of the road Reform in Germany all had, not only cantors, but very great cantors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1101.172,1110.47"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you know, the thing that amazed me when I was a rabbinic student, I think my first year I was invited on vacation by a classmate to Baltimore. And there they were, three historic Reform congregations. And we went to services. And I was amazed because there was not only a cantor, but both the rabbi and the cantor came out on the bimah garbed in robes and these fancy, not kippot, what would you call them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1111.79,1143.17"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e I've been trying to remember the name for...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1143.65,1145.42"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1145.66,1145.84"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e There is a name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1146.23,1146.38"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e There is a name. And I said I said to my friend, you know what goes I thought this was a historic Reform. He said, they've always done that here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1146.71,1154.81"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So so we're talking then about a congregation that built a synagogue and as it came together as a congregation, really tabula rasa, is that, is that a fair...? I mean, in 1870, did they bring any traditions from from Germany really, or were they...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1155.83,1176.23"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, well those people who founded Temple Sinai had previously been members of existing congregations in the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1177.41,1184.72"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh they had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1186.099,1186.1"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes. Yeah. These were not nonaffiliated people. But you see the the kind...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1186.43,1192.9"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e What kind of... but they weren't Reform.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1194.8,1195.4"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e They weren't Reformed congregations. They left to create for them an American type of congregation, yeah. So therefore, they rejected in many ways that that might have been part of their Jewish experience in the city.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1195.79,1215.75"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e What congregations preceded this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1218.54,1220.13"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well it's called today, it's called Touro, yeah, synagogue, which you know is the... the result of the amalgamation of two previous congregations and from that point of view represents the oldest congregation in the city. But that was Orthodox you see to start with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1220.73,1239.62"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Roughly how far back does that go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1240.79,1241.908"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, Lord. It would seem to me that... It goes back to the 1840s, roughly around that time. The earliest, the earliest Jews, well of course we can go back to those Sephardic Jews who came, you know, handfuls of them who married non Jewish women and who disappeared you know, in terms of bloodlines. The bulk of New Orleans Jewry was Bavarian, German, Alsace-Lorraine. And the earliest ones who came in were persons who had, what I would have to call a German Orthodox background. The, now there was a difference, they were two early congregations that joined together. One said, call themselves Sephardic, according to the Portuguese tradition. But they, they merged and maintained what we would call an orthodoxy, that's why people broke away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1242.65,1315.08"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Were they Sephardim from Germany?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1316.267,1316.7"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1317.088,1317.088"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e They weren't from Hamburg or...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1317.6,1317.76"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, no, no. These Ashkenazim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1318.31,1320.06"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I mean, those who have called themselves, those who lets say were, were Sephardim. Were they, were they from a German Saphardic community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1321.17,1327.368"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Let me think back now. Uh. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1328.22,1332.26"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So there were like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1333.22,1333.79"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1334.06,1334.06"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ...Sephardim elsewhere in the country from either, probably Amsterdam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1334.9,1337.464"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah, those who came here early. Uh. There's an Orthodox synagogue in town called Anshe Sfard, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1337.69,1346.88"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e That's nusach Sephard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1347.39,1347.417"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not Sephardic, but we don't have in the city any remnants of any of these early Sephardic Jews who came. Yeah, you had a Jew to Touro, you know, that sort of thing. But New Orleans is German Jewish. Now, there were Jews of Eastern European background who did come in very small numbers in the mid 1800s. The largest bulk of Eastern European Jews came as did elsewhere in the late 1800s. But they didn't come to New Orleans, you know, if you think about the hordes who came into the United States, this was too far away for them and whatever we have of Eastern European Jewish traditions in this city date back to that period with that small number. But these were people who were Zionists, these are the ones who created bonds for Israel here in town. The German Jews were not involved at all in those causes. Except Rabbi Max Heller of this congregation, who was a sort of contradiction in the way he was a fervent Zionist. Rabbi of Temple Sinai, but never preached that point of view from the pulpit. He was beloved by the Eastern European Jews because of his Zionist ideology, but not at Sinai. He had no following here from that point of view and was very wise in a way not to foist that on Temple Sinai membership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1348.59,1459.08"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e How, how does the New Orleans community and its development parallel other large or significant Jewish communities in the Deep South, or is it, or is it a unique situation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1463.27,1480.13"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I would say it's similar to the Atlanta Jewish community, I'm talking about the old Atlanta Jewish community, it's very much similar to historic ones in the Midwest. You know, all along the Mississippi River, you look at like founded communities, German Jews who came in and so you find them in St. Louis and Chicago and Cincinnati and New Orleans, groups that are very similar to one another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1481.74,1511.16"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah but in Chicago it's big enough to...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1512.21,1513.702"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, alr...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1514.11,1514.16"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, you don't have, I'm assuming I mean, the German Jews here have engaged in the same degree of philanthropy that you're talking about generally in the city, Jewishly as well I suppose, the federations here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1515.03,1526.486"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1528.92,1529.43"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But you didn't have a rival federation, an Eastern European, as you did in Chicago.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1529.85,1533.9"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, No. Well, because because in the South, again, in New Orleans as well, you had small Jewish communities in terms of numbers. Let's say today we estimate maybe there about 13,000 Jews in New Orleans. So even historically, there was no move that I am aware of where you have rival Jewish organizations, communal Jewish organizations created.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1534.5,1559.98"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Do we know anything about the, the musical practice outside of Sinai?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1562.24,1566.32"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e You'll have to talk to Dr. Barron .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1568.14,1570.31"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Well he knows about this one aspect he got really interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1570.77,1572.648"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1573.43,1573.43"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But, from your colleagues, or do, I mean, do we know anything about, was there in other words, was there ever a, among the Orthodox was there a, a cantorial tradition there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1574.87,1588.49"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I can't answer that. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1589.18,1590.89"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And the, has there ever been a, uh, any controversy here about the organ, for example, in recent years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1593.73,1604.17"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e About what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1604.47,1604.83"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e The organ. I don't mean on halachic ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1605.07,1607.95"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1608.34,1608.67"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But in terms of a, I mean the organ is here to stay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1609.42,1611.43"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1611.88,1611.88"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e People love the sound of the organ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1612.54,1613.62"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1613.92,1613.92"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e There's not, because you know what's happening and even some of the most places like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1613.967,1620.731"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e An example, I had a, as assistant rabbi, a young man who was a guitar player, OK? And so from time to time, he asked me, you know, whether he could do it at services. So I said, sure. Didn't last too long, people didn't like it, they wanted the organ. I've been retired since 1987. Whether there has in this intervening period been an upsurge of negative reaction about organ I'm not aware of. There might very well be. I know there has been reaction about the business of non-Jewish choir on the part of a number of people. But I don't know that this has taken to an extent that you might call it a revolt against it. We still have a non-Jewish organist and outside of the cantor still non-Jewish voices when they are used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1621.194,1685.48"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e The, today is a Conservative synagogue here as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1689.16,1692.13"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1692.67,1693.33"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1695.88,1695.88"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's interesting, historically, the Conservative congregation has come into an existence and came into existence late. We had Reform, we had orthodox and the Conservative congregation is only, I think, about 30 years old, here in New Orleans. And what has happened again, historically, it came into existence as a break away from one of the Orthodox congregations and this year, that same Orthodox congregation which declared itself now to be Conservative, who is now in the process of merging with the conservative Congregation in the city. And it came about this break, not about cant..., organ, but about men and women sitting together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1696.33,1746.14"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, let's talk about history. What do we know about the Jewish community in New Orleans, let's say just prior to the founding of Sinai, let's say during the, during the war between the states and the Confederacy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1748.2,1761.54"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Rabbi Bertram Korn wrote the classic book on the history of the early Jews in New Orleans prior to 1854, and if you want answers, you go to his book. Prior to the Civil War, you had an organized Jewish community, you had participation by Jews in, what shall I say, the war effort. Interesting to note that Rabbi Gutheim, who was in town then as a rabbi, left the city because he was a Southerner and he refused to take the oath of allegiance to the Union when they came in. But this, this was a Southern Jewish, a Southern community and Jews participated as Southerners in the war effort. Prior to the Civil War, Jews had already established themselves in visible places in the business community in New Orleans because you have to remember New Orleans was the tremendous port city as it related to the Mississippi River. And you had cotton coming down the river. And the Jews in New Orleans at that point were involved, many of them as cotton brokers, sugar brokers, and were very visible business wise in the city. The, uh, now I'm thinking of, well, these are all German Jewish names, you know, that come to mind the Gumbels and the Ottenheimers, the Freins were here then and, uh, were very active in the general community. The... interesting we had Jews who came into New Orleans from Jamaica as well, and settled here. In fact, at one of the old cemeteries, you can tell which are, and these are Sephardic Jews but who acclimatized themselves quickly to the New Orleans community. But you can go to one of the cemeteries here in town and see the rows of tombstones of Jews from the islands. Born there, came here, died and whose descendants are still around, in a way. But they came because, uh, New Orleans was was the leading really almost the leading port city in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1763.06,1943.92"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Out of, you know, apart from, from Atlanta, uh, would you say it's a similar history to Birmingham, Mobile, I don't know, other places in the Deep South where Jews settled?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1945.18,1961.779"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, if you were to look at the major, you know, cities of historical interest. Yeah, I'd say they're similar. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1963.0,1971.58"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e How much of the special flavor is New Orleans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1972.69,1975.78"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e The special flavor of New Orleans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1977.91,1979.29"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e That is to say the French speaking aspect. The earlier, the Spanish influence or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1980.85,1986.574"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I think what if you talk about special flavor of New Orleans would have to be evident in the in the culinary area of foodstuffs. Again, to my knowledge there's little evidence of the impact of the French rule, the Spanish rule, you know, on Jews, because you have to remember for the most part during the French rule, Spanish rule, Jews really didn't come here. It's largely just before the Louisiana Purchase and the settling of Jews coming down the river that you had, the beginnings of the growth of the of the community along with the influx then in the 1840s of Jews from Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=1988.81,2043.9"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e What, if we're looking at a context or a contextual framework for what we're talking about, specifically this project is, is a, music of American Jewry. I call it Jewish music but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2048.3,2066.87"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Music of American Jewry, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2068.069,2068.92"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Where, you know where, where does New Orleans fit in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2071.67,2073.949"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Music of American Jewry. Again, I'm not expert in this field, but I would say that in terms of the music of the Jewish community of New Orleans historically would relate to the historic patterns of music in classic Reform Jewish congregations. Now the local flavor we had, now I'm not familiar, again, with the historic or the musical traditions of the other Reform congregations in town. I guess the difference at Sinai would be the creations of Henry Jacobs. And I am aware of the fact that for the longest while a large bulk of the musical aspect of the worship service was Henry Jacobs' music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2076.889,2130.64"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now let's talk about Jacobs for a moment. He, he, his position was a mixed position?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2131.4,2134.75"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, he was the combination music director, youth director, executive director and organist. I think that covers it. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2135.53,2141.86"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is, in Europe used to be called 'hazzan shochet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2142.71,2144.321"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2145.13,2145.448"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I mean basically...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2145.45,2145.45"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2148.24,2148.24"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ...a little small German townsman. And he, he was here what, what time frame?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2149.525,2154.836"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, gosh. Uh, I'm trying to recall when he died. Well, I would say basically the 20s and 30s. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2156.23,2163.64"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So he just, he composed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2164.99,2167.39"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2168.08,2168.62"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And it became what, became used here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2169.34,2171.29"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e It became used here. Yeah. To my knowledge yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2171.758,2175.52"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Still today, much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2177.6,2177.955"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e As I say, the only thing that I'm familiar with, but I'm learning that they don't use that anymore; I, during my years as rabbi, I gradually eliminated Jacobs' music, except for his setting of the A'donai Hu HaElo'him at the close of the Yom Kippur service, that I maintained. Yeah. As you are aware, his music was largely derivative. And, uh. I guess he, he used a lot of stuff that I mean, his music was based on themes from various operas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2179.84,2224.43"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e No, actually, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2225.95,2226.76"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, you don't know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2226.97,2227.45"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2228.31,2228.696"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2228.7,2229.25"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e That is something nobody would have ever heard of outside of New Orleans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2230.39,2232.13"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I'm trying to think. Yeah, his, his son lives here and I frankly don't know whether he's got any of the Jacobs music, but there might be some buried here in the building somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2233.468,2249.47"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah I think there is somebody who has...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2250.189,2251.212"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2251.57,2252.57"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e How about English versus Hebrew in hymns?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2253.16,2254.82"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, more so English. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Very little Hebrew in hymn singing, Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2255.45,2262.45"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Except I suppose while, when you came in, 70, I mean that, there was a, already...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2264.33,2268.057"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well you had Adom Olam, Ein Kelo'hainu, I think those were the only ones that was sung in Hebrew. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2268.98,2273.18"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And what else, Sh'ma Yisra'el maybe?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2275.19,2275.777"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, of course, liturgically yeah, I was talking about hymns. Yeah, but let's say you had the Bara'chu, you had the Shema, the Mi Cha'mocha, Aleinu. Uh. I think that was about it. Oh, and the Kedushah, yeah. In fact, I think there was a setting of Henry Jacobs of the Kedushah that we used back then, I'm not certain about it, but it seems to me possible. Musically, we don't have a tradition here that reflects other than historic classic Reform sources, you know, with the as we say here, with the lagniappe of Henry Jacobs. Now, that's changed in recent years, as is the case in many Reform congregations with music supposedly Israeli, you know, oriented and with new liturgical materials, you know, that are coming out or have come out. I don't know that one can say that New Orleans has contributed anything to speak of in terms of Jewish music, if there is such a phrase, you know. I could be mistaken, but that's my impression. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2276.72,2365.4"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e This is, some interesting little things here but, I mean, forget, lets, going beyond music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2365.72,2370.79"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2371.15,2371.15"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e What what else is important for us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2372.65,2376.962"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think one thing that's happened in New Orleans that obviously has happened in other historically Reform congregations is the increased awareness of and relationship to the state of Israel, the Zionist cause. The... I think in terms of emphasis in schooling, a greater emphasis on the teaching of Hebrew in the religious school. And I think what has happened here, as has happened in other congregations has been the increased acceptance and use of various ceremonies and rituals that had been discarded. You know, a couple of generations ago, and it's coming back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2377.69,2435.3"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But, we talk about ceremonies and rituals that have been discarded, and then people coming back to them now, what, for example?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2437.78,2443.66"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't do this, let's say, but let's say Temple Sinai today, uh, for Rosh Hashanah, Yom Kippur let's say, they'll go over to the body of water, you know, and toss their sins in there. Now that's more recent development. Well, let's say we at Sinai for years, we didn't have chuppah, we didn't have bar mitzvahs, there was a point at which there were no kippot that were worn. In fact, we had a board meeting I can recall at which time a former president of the congregation made it a point to come to the board meeting to object to the fact that he knows that there were people wearing head coverings. And what he objected to was not only the fact that they were head coverings, but he thought the temple was providing it out of the budget. And so the president of our brotherhood got up and said it doesn't cost the temple any money. The Brotherhood is making this available. So we now have people wearing kippot, we now have people where tallaisim at services and these are new, you know, recent developments, changes that have taken place. The... I'd say I was trying to think. You know, I still get how shall I put it, surprised when meeting with couples who are planning to get married. And when they talk about, you know, at the reception being lifted up on chairs, now to me, that's Fiddler on the Roof, you know, East European stuff, but it's become accepted as norm, you know, among German Jews who never heard of it before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2444.32,2552.96"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e It's picking and choosing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2553.56,2554.22"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2554.59,2554.92"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e The outer trappings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2556.29,2556.541"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Yeah, yeah. It's Jewish. It's Jewish. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2556.547,2558.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ... Is there any more Jewish things...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2558.0,2558.255"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Now I was asked this morning by these out of town visitors about Jewish neighborhoods, there's never been any such thing, you know, in New Orleans. Jews lived within the city. Now, you might say that back at one time there was one particular boulevard, you want to call it, which was peopled by East European Jews and their shops, butcher shops, carpenter shops, shoe shops, you know all that, furniture stores and all the rest of that, uh, if you want to call that, you know, Jewish neighborhood, okay. But, people who I mean, professional sociologists who studied New Orleans came to that conclusion, published, no such thing as neighborhoods. And, of course, um, historically, although we do still have a good percentage of Jews living in the uptown, as we call it area, 'cause in recent years there's been movement out, the suburban flight, as has happened elsewhere. Now we have Jews living across the lake and they have formed a small congregation over there already. So there's been a dispersion of Jews. Whereas at one time they were all up around here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2560.629,2641.24"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Is, is the, unlike, in Vicksburg is a, is on the down...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2642.53,2647.93"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Down decline, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2648.41,2649.61"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, New Orleans, again, from a sociological point of view, nothing to do with music particularly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2649.658,2655.208"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, New Orleans is, has been relatively stable in terms of population for the last number of years. We don't really have an influx into the city of Jews. A lot of the young Jews have gone to places like Houston and Dallas and Atlanta where the economic opportunities at the present time are better. So I would say compared to the, numerically, to the Jewish community of 20, 25 years ago, there are less number of Jews in New Orleans at the present time. New Orleans was hard hit economically by the oil bust a number of years back and has never really recovered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2655.534,2701.27"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And yet, if you talk about a greater scene across the lake, I mean...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2705.37,2710.32"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, greater New Orleans, you want to call it, yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2710.77,2713.44"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Some congregations are sprouting up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2714.16,2715.84"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, we've had a movement out of the city in the neighboring parish in Metairie. As an example, one of the three historic Reform congregations relocated out there. The Conservative congregation relocated out there. There is now a, I think either a Young Israel or Lubavitcher or Chabad group out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2716.26,2740.2"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, but your prospects are on kind of on an even keel for...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2740.56,2745.54"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I would say so. Yeah. Yeah. It could be if one wanted to make any sort of predictions, it could be down the road a number of years hence, there could very well be a merger of the two existing Reform congregations in the city for economic reasons. But I think that will take a number of years yet to, to move to any sort of conclusion.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2747.01,2782.77"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Lets go to something else. The, the, just, this is just a guess, I mean...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2782.9,2789.87"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2790.05,2790.05"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Given the fact that a large bulk, if not certainly the majority of, let's say, congregants here or New Orleans Jews in general are of German Jewish background, I don't know if background is the right word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2792.57,2804.149"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2804.48,2804.48"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e So removed but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2805.23,2805.23"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Heritage. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2805.44,2806.46"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Do they feel that, do they care about it? If one were to, I mean...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2807.81,2812.79"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I think if you scratch a couple of them, you know, once in a while they might react by asserting that background, but today, I don't think it matters much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2812.97,2824.05"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e If the Leo Baeck Institute came to, came to New Orleans...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2824.68,2826.791"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2827.14,2827.14"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ...And even if presented, present a lecture or something on the culture of German Jewry, what, does it mean anything, or is it just there in the background and doesn't matter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2827.749,2835.147"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think, yeah. I wouldn't think, I'd agree with you, yeah. Yeah. The only thing that evokes, you know, reaction might be, as has happened in recent years, a, a kind of resurgence of interest historically in the early pioneers, you know, who settled here. So that, that has created an interest on the part of the numbers of families in that, their background, but that's largely due to the creation of this museum of the Southern Jewish experience up in Utica.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2835.93,2875.47"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now tell me about that. Utica?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2876.61,2877.69"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2878.89,2878.89"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Where is that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2880.559,2881.565"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Mississippi.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2881.892,2881.892"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e And why is it in Utica?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2881.56,2882.37"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e As you may be aware, around the country, in various regions, Reform congregations have established summer camps. And our region established it in Utica and the director of the museum, of the camp over the years had become aware of the fact that in the Delta region, there were numbers of once thriving Jewish communities that had disappeared and he felt that the artifacts from those synagogues should be preserved. And so there was brought into being this Museum of the Southern Jewish experience, which started off by being a repository for synagogue architects from communities that were out of business. So in recent years that has made an impact in the area in terms of stimulating, again, interest on the part of this generation; interest in their forebears, who they were, why they came, where they settled and who, you know, all the rest of that and what they did while they were here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2885.52,2960.67"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But only the American experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2962.25,2963.06"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2963.54,2963.99"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, yeah, it's not like...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2964.74,2966.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Some of them have tried to trace. Now you have some interest in genealogy, you know, and because of this more recent interest, development in antecedence, there are some who have begun, particularly those of Alsatian Jewish background, uh, trying to trace, you know, who they were, where they came from and who...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2967.38,2992.55"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e How big is this museum, in Utica?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2996.79,2997.371"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean physically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=2999.56,2999.73"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e No...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3003.239,3003.239"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know how many square feet it is, but...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3003.318,3005.28"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it significant or, I mean how...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3007.9,3008.296"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's becoming significant, yeah. Now, as an example, one of the things they're doing, the museum is doing is becoming the trustee for synagogue buildings in the area to preserve them. As an example, a couple of years ago, they worked out an agreement with the remaining Jews in Natchez, Mississippi, that the synagogue building would be deeded over to the museum to preserve it. They've gone into places where there were, where there still are Jewish cemeteries and communities where there are no Jews anymore, and the kids who go to the camp use that, they use the kids, let's put it that way, who go to the camp as cleaner uppers in these cemeteries, getting them back into shape. Preservation, you know, point of view.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3009.49,3066.47"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e The camp is, I mean the, the museum is operated...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3068.18,3071.024"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Is located on the campgrounds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3071.54,3073.1"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e The camp is only in operations in the summertime?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3074.21,3075.53"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it operates all year round.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3076.37,3077.66"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3078.89,3078.89"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e It started off, as most of these did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3080.0,3082.52"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e As like a retreat?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3083.349,3083.721"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e As summer, yeah, as summer for the kids. But the rest of the year they use it for retreats...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3083.756,3087.68"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Is it independent or is it part of the Union or?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3088.52,3090.35"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e It's, yeah, part of the Union, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3090.62,3093.5"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Now that, that doesn't, that, that's been around for a while?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3094.879,3098.39"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e What has been? Yeah. In fact, they dedicated it, as just coincidental, they dedicated the year that I came to New Orleans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3099.26,3106.1"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e But that doesn't, that didn't rub anybody or too many people the wrong way because it's parochial?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3106.989,3110.014"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no, no, not at all. No, because you have to remember, families sent their kids from New Orleans to camps up north. And so, although it took a while to convince some families, you know, that had relationships with camps in Wisconsin and Michigan, that sort of thing, uh, North Carolina, that here you had a camp that also would provide a Jewish experience. It took a while to teach that to some people, but today it's well accepted in the area, in the region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3110.42,3145.38"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that worth, uh, for our purposes, what do they have there besides artifacts of synagogues?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3149.25,3156.163"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e In the museum?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3157.65,3157.92"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3158.054,3158.054"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. No, from your point of view, I don't know that there's anything...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3158.64,3163.84"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e Except for photographs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3165.73,3166.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, photographs. Yeah. But I think musically, the camp has played an important role in teaching, getting the kids accustomed to more contemporary Jewish music, which the kids have brought back to their homes, to their congregations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3166.0,3181.9"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, I think, can you, I don't know any more questions other than whether you have any, um, things...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3183.79,3191.725"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Anything to add to this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3193.48,3194.83"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e To, uh, to be aware of in the whole history of either New Orleans or the South in terms of the history of Jewry. I will ask you this, is Bertram Cohen's book, Korn, Korn?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3195.19,3208.181"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Korn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3209.489,3209.554"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e ... The last word? Definitively?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3209.592,3211.49"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it is...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3212.3,3212.63"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eLevin:\u003c/strong\u003e More research done that has...?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3213.35,3213.5"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/transcript/25052/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBlackman:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I think the unfortunate aspect of the New Orleans Jewish community is that nobody has written, as researched as Bert Korn did, the history, the community of the period following his book. There have been scattered articles. But if, if, what New Orleans needs is a sequel, really. I thought I could do it at one time, but it's, it's beyond me, it takes too much time. Besides which, I want to enjoy life at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=3213.89,3256.29"}]},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/annotation_set/879","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["Blackman-Murray-20 September 2022 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978/annotation_set/879/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"supplementing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cp\u003eorgel synagogenorgel.\u003c/p\u003e","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40314/file/111978#t=501.95,503.009"}]}]}]}