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I was born in Brooklyn. My parents were Polish. My father was from Bialystok and my mother was from Radom, Poland and they met here and it was a mixed marriage because they spoke a different form of Yiddish. My mother spoke like Southern Polish Yiddish but then she adopted more the Litvish Yiddish later on. And then I was raised in Brooklyn and my father, believe it or not, was a radical. He refused to go into a synagogue, but I loved the synagogue even as a child. And I. He he would he never would have dreamt I would have become a hazzan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=32.0,81.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Your father was a radical in the sense politically? 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Not that he hated the socialists like communists,.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=90.0,98.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, but I mean, Arbeter Ring was-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=98.0,99.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e But it was right. Yeah. I mean, he was a-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=99.0,102.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Arbeter Ring was anti, was really anti-communist, socialist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=102.0,104.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e They were. Yeah. And they were anti-communist. Yeah. But they- he wasn't exactly Arbeter Ring. He would be sympathetic until, let's say, way back Stalin, you know, when Stalin pulled the thing on the, on the Polish Jew, you know, on the Poland. And matter of fact, I know from my, at that time when the Germans, and the Bialystok- if my grandfather had stayed in, in Bialystok, he wouldn't leave. My grandmother wouldn't come to America because it was not Kosher enough. And when she died, my father, my grandfather would not leave because her grave was there. And he, he died on the first day I found out from relatives in the underground that he died the first day the Germans entered. They killed them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=104.0,152.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e The first day, September 1st, 1939. Oh, no. The first day they went to Bialystok. Yeah. So it was within-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=152.0,158.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, I had, and my mother- so a lot of my father's brothers stayed here. One brother went to Argentina, the other brothers stayed here. And they were in the, believe it or not, they were in the- my grandfather was known as Avrum the Kishka-maker. They were in the like, kind of smoked meat business and everything. And my great grandfather was, came here to America and was a partner for a short time with Isaac Gellis in the salami business. But he decided to retire. So that was one of their relatives went on, one of their workers went on to become famous and sell bread, and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=158.0,200.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e So your exposure in childhood to synagogue was-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=200.0,207.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Was just born by myself? No. And then when, as teenage boys go, I let- you know, except I was interested, I would say up to about 15. And I was, I used to like to go to shul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=207.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e On your own?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=221.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e By myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=221.0,221.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e So where, who'd you hear?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=221.0,224.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It was an Orthodox little shtiebl. I remember an old man in the shtiebl. He kind of took me under his wings and I used to go there on Shabbas. I kind of liked it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=224.0,236.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Who were the first cantors you heard in America?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=236.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e God, I, you know, I almost can't, I almost can't remember their names. I just knew later on when I was about, when I began to sing, I went with my then girlfriend and later my first wife, because she was a soloist with different hazzanim at their weddings. So I had really nothing to do with what I later became. When I was, what I want to do, I went to a high school and when I graduated from high school, my voice began to change, I would say. I auditioned for the choir in high school. I went to Boys High in Brooklyn and was rejected. So it looks terrific on a life story, you know, here I was rejected and so my voice, I guess didn't change. And I began to sing, I guess recording maybe with Jan Peerce or something. And then when I began to study, my sister prodded me to take lessons. So my father was upset. He didn't want me to become a hippie, you know, singer. And so I began to study voice and then I joined a Gilbert and Sullivan Society, nothing to do with Judaism or hazzanus or anything. And then someone invited me to sing in a quartet. In a synagogue. And when I, so I, several times, I went with - the quartet was very- there was God. Now that was the kind of, you know, God knows was well known to God. And as brothers, I sang with God knows. I sang with several other cars. And I said, well, not guys and but in the quartet, you know, and my sight reading was not great in the beginning at all. I remember when I first went to my first audition was named Conviser, you know, David Conviser was his son, and Conviser sitting there saying, (sings). He says no, no, it's (sings). You know, I was a kid, you know? So I tried to sound like that. And he said to me, says, Abelson, he says, You're a weak reader, but I'll hire you for the holidays for 75 dollars. So that's what I got. So in the quartet and that was my first job and I began to sing with, in quartets. And what happened is that when I sang in Boston with a cantor, with three other businessmen who were in a quartet, the cantor was a little obnoxious. And so they were- in their anger, they said, well, we can study cantor- And so. Somehow someone else put- I was then graduated from City College in business as a BBA and I had a job as an accountant. And so some of that guys, they put my name in the Hebrew Union College in the cantorial school, which was then incidentally, when it first started. No, I just started. It was Klal Israel, Orthodox at that time. And so I put my name and I happened to have a piece of music with me. And I left my office and took an audition. And the man says, What are you doing? The dean at that time. I said, Well, I'm an accountant. He says, you'll make money as a cantor. He says, So they brought it. And I kind of was attracted to the school. I quit my job. I was new married actually at that time to my wife at that time, who was a soprano and sang in Gilbert and Sullivan and had been singing in synagogues as a soloist. And I then entered the Hebrew Union College where I, there I met Ganchoff, who was, who became like a friend in a way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=240.0,481.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Who was the dean at that time, was that Morris Barash?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=481.0,483.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And no, no, the dean at that, the dean of the cantorial was Hecker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=483.0,488.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Wolf Hecker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=488.0,491.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Morris Barash taught there. Ganchoff taught all those- at that time we all came by, there was like a renaissance of music they wanted to make. They wanted to make hazzanim, really, with the kind of class. They wanted to find and dig into the old great compositions of Nowakowsky and, you know, and Sulzer and. Yeah, and, you know, all Lewandowski, all the great. And they tried to really improve this quality of Jewish music. And that was the college. And therefore that's where I acquired from a, particularly I had an affinity for Ganchoff. He was a dear guy and I kind of learned a little bit about how to be a hazzan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=491.0,535.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And where along the way did the Yiddish come in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=535.0,542.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, at the very- at that time there was a lot of hostility to Yiddish at that time. And so there was. But Lazar Weiner was on the faculty and he had a class in art song, and he began to introduce us to art music and he began to stress certain Yiddish songs, not theater. It was- there was no Yiddish theater at that time. And so we, it was-. And then upon graduation, Lazar Weiner was doing concerts with a- with a soloist, a male who got sick. And I- he asked me to sing with him. And I did and, and he, he wrote songs. I probably- I must have had about 30 songs that he, that I premiered with him and he taught me to be a singer of art song.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=542.0,601.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Was he the one who coached you in diction? And, because your, as you know, your Yiddish is perfect, what we call \"hokh\" Yiddish. It's-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=601.0,611.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I learned hokh Yiddish and then-. So in the meanwhile, what happened is meanwhile I began to sing theater songs. Now going back to my youth, my mother was a passionate lover of Yiddish theater song. My mother sang. My mother had a beautiful voice, I never realized how good she was until I began studying voice and I play high F and she sang it like that. Easily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=611.0,642.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you go to Second Avenue Productions as a child or as a teen?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=642.0,646.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I did. My mother did. And, but as a child, I didn't. But what happened is my house was full of Yiddish theater song. And one of the songs that I recorded with, with the milk and the dishwasher was the first song, Yidding song I ever memorized and sang, at about the age five or six. My mother said not so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=646.0,670.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But you weren't what was called in those days, one of the patriotn, the fan clubs of certain Yiddish-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=670.0,680.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mother was. My father, but my father loved my mother, so he was proud of my mother. But we used to get discounts because I'm in the Borscht Belt when we, you know, when we were singing [YIDDISH TERM] , you know, in the- which means sing by yourself in one of the rooming houses, we got discounts because my mother sang and she loved it. So that's what I and my house, we always sang Yiddish songs in the house that we did, but not hazzanut until later on in life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=680.0,711.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you hear, in person, did you see or hear any of the legendary figures on the Yiddish stage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=711.0,717.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, well, I, not in- what happened is that on Sunday, our radio, WEVD, we heard the Forward Hour. I heard all the singers, I heard the hazzanim, I heard the talk. I heard the jokes. I heard the, uh, the humor. And my house was- and therefore my Yiddish was, you know, I understood it as I-. My mother didn't want me to speak Yiddish. My father was more of a Yiddishist, but he was happy with all that. But my mother wanted to be American, you know, she wanted to be, well, American. So it kind of wasn't crazy. But, and thank God I didn't forget my Yiddish, because- and unfortunately, I'll tell you, I'm sad about it when I think about it, my parents, because I- what happened is that I- at the same time I was in the Hebrew Union College, I was in opera workshops. So, and eventually when I became a cantor and within it, my first congregation was there fifteen years. And then I got into New York City Opera. I had done a bout with a small company. I had done it. I've done about 40 major roles in opera. Baritone roles, Rigolettos and, you know-. 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I, probably in about 19- it was about 1972, 73, like that. I did the, I did Boheme, many Bohemes. I was, you know, I did the Schaunards. I did, I did, I remember I even had a role in the, in that twelve tone piece, Ashmedai, which they did. 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That was 19, around '71, '72.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=833.0,833.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I was in it. I did one of the performances in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=833.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=837.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Very, it was very funny because when they heard it was an Israeli composer, Hadassah showed up and they thought they would hear something Hassidic 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Wow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=856.0,856.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e At the premiere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=856.0,857.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No 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And what else did Beeson do for City Opera?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=951.0,954.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It may have been he did the Tennessee Williams play. No, was it- that was not it. 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And it may be for one or two or more years, but in '55 specifically, there was a American opera workshop program, something, at Interlochen during the summer, separate, separate from everything else. In other words, separate from the high school division, separate from the university division, was American, the whole thing was production of operas by American composers. And obviously, there were things that required modest levels of production or could be done with modest levels of production. Oh, I remember that. And one night they did two short one-act operas. And by the way, there were some important people, the people who later had a name and now are forgotten again. There was a soprano named Elizabeth Fisher. 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So, but that's all, by that time, it's still all, you know, early 60s. So what I did there, there was an opera and I can't remember the composer. You might remember Casey at the Bat. You know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=1875.0,1889.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I forgot. 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I thought it was earlier, did you show up at like 1981, something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2221.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e About 1981, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2222.0,2222.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e If he died in '82, if I'm not mistaken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2222.0,2232.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Right, but with those at the end. 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You're not talking about Paul Steinberg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2273.0,2275.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No, Paul.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2275.0,2276.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but Paul Steinberg was the dean of the whole school, not just the cantorial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2276.0,2281.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but somehow he had, and somehow there was nobody heading up the school. 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And they were the ones who signed the petition, the Black Stone Memorial petition to purchase Palestine from the Turkish Empire. So there is no, you know, you could do what you wanted if your congregation was opposed (?)...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2528.0,2543.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know that. I don't know if you know this, that the head of music at the Temple Emanu-El was the president of the American Society of Judaism, anti-Zionism, and they would not allow-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=2543.0,2555.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. 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And some stayed there, like Joel Engel stayed there, okay, and became really the first Israeli composer in a way. Anyway, he wrote this opera called Hechalutz, which in English is the plural. 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But for some reason, I've never quite understood this, they could perform Bach as at one concert one night was Albert Einstein, playing the violin. 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So this was at another synagogue called Prinzregentenstrasse synagogue. I mean, it's gone. It was gone at Kristallnacht. And here's a picture, all the soloists are in front, full symphony orchestra right below the bima. And Vinaver's conducting. 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You sang with Zeidel Rovner and everything. So, what was, what did I-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3365.0,3366.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/568","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I sang with Albert Mizrahi, we did a duet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3366.0,3373.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/569","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that too! You sang a lot of things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3373.0,3376.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/570","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I sang some with Zasov (?).","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3376.0,3377.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/571","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e There was, here, the soloists were you, Mizrahi-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3377.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/572","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Mizrahi. 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And so he, he bestowed these medals, huge things that must have weighed five pounds called Master Cantor. 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We did it. This one who sang it was Vivienne Bellos. Remember her? You probably don't remember her. In those days, I didn't like her and and the orchestra. And that was 1990. And I didn't have orchestration for it because the orchestration, Vinaver had it. 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I personally think it's very good. Now, look, I haven't seen it in 20 years or 25 years, so I might, you know, one of those things I look again, I might... but my reaction at the time, this is Rod Steiger and this is perfection. 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He rented a house in, he lived in Los Angeles in a rather modest home, by the way, but he rented a house in the Orthodox neighborhood for six months in Fairfax. And every day he went, he spent an hour or two in the Kosher butcher. Just stood there and listened, absorbed. And then because he wasn't looking, it doesn't matter if it's third generation. You know how the little children, they could, they go like this? 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Then two hours later, he would go to the Kosher bakery. And it's the same thing. And he did this for six months. On the other hand, Alan Arkin is a great actor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3965.0,3985.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/698","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. He couldn't do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3985.0,3989.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/699","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e He tries to do it in a film called Avalon, where Lou Jacobi, who was a friend of mine, was in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3989.0,3997.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/700","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You know that Mina was in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3997.0,3998.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/701","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3998.0,3999.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/702","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I think Mina, Mina had a tiny role in Avalon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=3999.0,4001.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/703","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe she was Jacoby's wife in that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4001.0,4003.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/704","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Mina had a role, and so did Shifra Lerer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4003.0,4009.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/705","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Shifra Lerer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4009.0,4009.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/706","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Had a role in that. Two of them, I think. 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If you remember him from the film, The Heart is a Lonely Hunter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4015.0,4023.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/710","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, of course!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4023.0,4023.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/711","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, this is magnificent, where he plays a deaf-mute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4023.0,4026.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/712","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4026.0,4029.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/713","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e He could not for the life of him. You know what it sounded like? It sounded- if I had been the director, I would have said, just forget the accent and just-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4029.0,4037.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/714","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4037.0,4037.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/715","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You don't have to. It's better for you to have no accent. 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He did the original stage. And I get there and I hear them, you know, I'm doing it. I hear them rehearsing. And they're all trying to do a Jewish accent. So I said, you know, I said, Excuse me. I don't mean I don't mean to be... I, but you want to know something? It sounds terrible. I mean, you're supposed to come from the same town. You're supposed to, you're supposed to have the same neighborhood. You know, I don't know what neighborhood you're in. It's not supposed to be with a Jewish accent. It's just an inflection. That's all it is. 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And then I was in another production once in which the one who played Yenta did a Jewish accent on Long Island. Stupid! Why should she have a Jewish accent? She was playing Yenta, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4096.0,4108.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/721","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, of course. It implies that you're-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4108.0,4111.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/722","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That they're so stupid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4111.0,4112.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/723","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e They weren't, I mean everything is, I remember, then you could take it even further. We might get too far because, you know, there were, people used to assume in certain narrow circles that Shakespeare had to be performed with what's so-called English.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4112.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/724","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e English accent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4127.0,4127.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/725","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But of course it's nonsense because that sound of, I don't even want to call it an accent, sound, is certainly not 19th, it's 19th century.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4127.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/726","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn't exist anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4137.0,4137.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/727","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e It's Victorian. No, but even if it existed, it is not what English sounded like in Shakespeare's day and probably not even in the 17th-18th century, you know, no relation to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4137.0,4147.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/728","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e And they may have been low-class actors. 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We had, in those days, it was very funny. I could tell you a funny story because that was all male, of course, you know, and we had a lot of veterans who were cantors in the field. They came to improve their hazzanut. We had Orthodox Jews. We had opera singers from Europe. You know, I remember we had one- I'm thinking of this guy, broad, you know... Oh, yeah. We had one guy who was an opera star in Bulgaria, I think he was. And he came, and of course, through the war, he was, and became a cantor, right. And then he decided to become a Reform cantor. And he says, you know, he says, I did the holidays. And I went to the synagogue and the rabbi said, You will sing behind the potted plant. He says, I said, What do you mean? I sing behind a potted plant. But he says, You don't sing in front of me, he says, you sing back. He says, I will not sing behind the pot. And he quit. 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Well, it wasn't just the rabbinate. 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You have an ear for doing that, you know. I mean, I know because I have it to some extent, too. I mean, and, you know, and a lot of it has to do with what you hear. 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But that was at the time you entered. I mean, up until-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4296.0,4302.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/742","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4302.0,4303.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/743","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e In classic Reform, let's put it that way, in America. 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Really lucky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4316.0,4316.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/749","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e In the, what Sam Adler and therefore as a result, I, call that the renaissance of- the short-lived renaissance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4316.0,4327.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/750","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely was the renaissance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4327.0,4328.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/751","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e And it was, what, 20 years maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4328.0,4329.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/752","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e But you want to know something? It makes me very depressed today. When I go into a synagogue, I get depressed. I hate, I have to admit it. I mean I don't, it's a, it's depressing. There's, you know, if you have any respect for the text, for poetry, how could you, I really... I tell you, it just happened. Just happened. The, on Wednesday, we had a practicum at the college and one of the students had hers, you know, and the music she chose for the, for the end of her recital... We have the best recitals. It's a big secret of it, you'll see today, on those recital graduations. But this one, I mean, the girl is so talented and the music she chose, it was... and then now, forget about it. 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Oh my god, it's thinking?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4402.0,4407.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/759","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright. You know who Hillel Halkin is? 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My age. Maybe a little younger. He writes a column for the Forward, for the English language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4417.0,4426.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/766","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Very good column.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4426.0,4429.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/767","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e He also is reputed to be the anonymous Philologos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4429.0,4434.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/768","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Are you serious?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4434.0,4434.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/769","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4434.0,4436.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/770","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That's interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4436.0,4436.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/771","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I- let me put it this way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4436.0,4436.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/772","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I love the paper, I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4436.0,4439.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/773","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I mean it's, I don't like, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4439.0,4442.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/774","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You may not agree with the politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4442.0,4443.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/775","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't. But I respect it because they allow the other, they allow the correct side to be represented because you have columns by Noam Neusner. Now, Noam Neusner is Jacob Neusner's son. I don't know if people know that. But he's Jacob Neusner's son. He was President Bush's, one of his speechwriters. With his kippah all the time. 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And one time he was supposed to be there and he called from the office in the basement. He said, Friday afternoon, the president was there already, he says, I'm not going to make it before Sabbath. I can't come. You know what President Bush did? Sent the helicopter for him. People don't know this. And so anyway, the Forward at least represents, it's more... 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I don't see how anyone should-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4509.0,4514.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/780","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4514.0,4514.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/781","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e So in any case, the Philologos column-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4514.0,4518.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/782","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It's terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4518.0,4519.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/783","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Terrific. And I am told by somebody who said-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4519.0,4524.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/784","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4524.0,4524.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/785","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Told me that Halkin's daughter told him-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4524.0,4526.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/786","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Really? Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4526.0,4527.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/787","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e That it's her father who's Philologos.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4527.0,4528.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/788","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's a big secret, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4528.0,4528.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/789","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e So I don't know why, because it's nothing political about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4528.0,4532.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/790","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4532.0,4534.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/791","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e It's the philology of things. And, but Halkin now writes himself, under his name, the column. So he told the story within the past year, just what you're saying. That's what caused him to make Aliyah, because he's not particularly religious, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4534.0,4546.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/792","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4546.0,4546.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/793","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't like the word religious, but-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4546.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/794","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Observant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4548.0,4549.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/795","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Traditionally observant synagogue going-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4549.0,4550.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/796","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, use the word observant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4550.0,4550.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/797","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e The way it goes, so he went, he said that one of the last straws was, when he went. He'd been in Israel for a while. And he came here, and he went to a Reform and then a Conservative synagogue for Yom Kippur. And he wrote, he says, If I hadn't looked at the calendar, I would have thought it's Purim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4550.0,4574.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/798","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. 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There was a big festival that I ran here for the, it was combined. 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But we, one thing, one of the five days we had a session on what you're talking about. So somebody asked, I had, Max Wohlberg was on there. 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In any vocal music. So somebody asked a question, a question and answer period, asked Wohlberg about certain type of things, I don't even know if she mentioned names, it wouldn't matter whether she mentioned Debbie Friedman or she mentioned- didn't. But whatever it was, it had more to do with with the potschke potschke, and the hopke hopke and the, you know too is that really the whole style really is the television evangelist, television evangelism. If you, I mean, I can prove it. We can go back to the 50s and you'll find that this is just a copy of that, including the musical phrasing, the harmonies, everything. So Wohlberg said, you know, he's always a little bit humorous and always a diplomat, you know, he said, Well, I will tell you, most of us live in houses or apartments. He allowed for someone might live on the street or in a tent. Most of us live in- and we have different rooms. And there are some rooms where it's appropriate to do certain things, which is not appropriate to do that in another room in the same house. And everybody laughed, and that was it. So, yeah, I mean, today you grew- when you came to Temple Israel, you were doing what? What kind of music?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=4649.0,4736.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/818","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You want to know something? When I, when I started in the Reform movement in a synagogue that never even had, never had even a nusaḥ for calling up someone for an Aliyah, I used to do Rotzei , I used to do Schlossberg's Rotzei. I suppose I did all the cantorial stuff and they didn't know! They loved it. People, you know, I gave them, I sang everything I learned in school and I improvised. I learned to improvise. I did, you know, as a matter of fact, it was very- because you get a kick out of this. You know, I was doing the opera, the The Barber of Seville. And in Italian. And there's a section where Figaro, I was doing Figaro. (sings) In the duet. (sings) And I was doing it with, Bernie Fitch and I. Bernie was the tenor. And when I went (sings), and he collapsed. I did cantorial, you know what I mean? 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When I would, I would have graduated before Alter, but I came back and I heard... Did you ever hear Alter sing? When I heard Alter sing, I had never heard a cantor like that. It was like a leader singer in a cantorial style because, you know, singers, they all sang like, they never made, it was all forte. You know, if you listen to the recording. 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But I could give one answer among many, which is the answer that, of an economic historian. 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A rabbi, for that matter, everybody, rabbi's salary is heavily dependent on how many people there are to pay dues. The number of people there to pay dues is dependent upon how happy they are, right? It's dependent on some other factors which we're not going to go into now, which didn't exist 30 years ago, which have doubled and tripled the eligible pool of members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5617.0,5648.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/971","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e But how about the eligible pool of entertainment that's around? People have so much distraction? Why should they choose to come if they're not that observant, maybe, on the weekend to go to the synagogue instead of watching a good television show or going to the movie or theater? So maybe they're competing with that. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5648.0,5672.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/972","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e To some extent they are competing with that. But of course, it's all a question of ignorance because there's no knowledge of what the liturgy means, because anybody of just normal, is the most average intelligence, you have to understand what something, it makes no sense to sing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5672.0,5689.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/973","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn't make sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5689.0,5689.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/974","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, you might as well sing El Malei Rachamim to a rousing pop tune. Right, I mean-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5689.0,5697.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/975","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, like in the nusaḥ, you take a simple nusaḥ like V'shamru. V'shamru begins with the Ashkenazi, begins minor, and when God created the heavens, suddenly it changes to major. What an interesting chord that is. But today, you listen to it (sings). What does that have to do with it, with the Bible?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5697.0,5716.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/976","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e They have no idea what it's about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5716.0,5719.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/977","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That's in the Bible!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5719.0,5719.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/978","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e They have no idea what's in the Bible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5719.0,5720.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/979","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It's in Torah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5720.0,5721.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/980","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But the leadership will tell you that it doesn't matter. I've heard him say this. It doesn't matter as long as it brings the people in and they're happy. Now, the excuse he's giving because that satisfies the spiritual needs. As a historian, I'm telling you, that is nonsense. It is because it increases his longevity at the job. It is economic. And almost all cases, whether it's conscious or subconscious, is another story. That's another story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5721.0,5752.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/981","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Whether there's choices is, makes sense. I mean, whether they're right. 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Look, you have to at least mix a little of this into the picture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5765.0,5772.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/985","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5772.0,5774.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/986","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e At some point. I mean, of course, there are certain things that the New York Philharmonic will justifiably do. But it's not, to attract different and greater audiences, but it's not necessarily instead of, you see, it's in addition to. So nobody, nobody would have complained, including myself. I wouldn't complain about adding on a Wednesday night, a sing along. Everyone, let's come and have a campfire and roast marshmallows, Kosher marshmallows, of course, and have a sing along. That, add that, but not substitute it for liturgical music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5774.0,5812.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/987","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I mean, you know that, you know, laugh at this, but I, you take Debbie Friedman. 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I mean, you know, I can show you how it is a 100 percent outgrowth of right wing evangelical music in churches.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5848.0,5856.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/991","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely, absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5856.0,5856.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/992","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's, even the nature of the-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5856.0,5862.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/993","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what it is!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5862.0,5862.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/994","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Melody lines and the vocal production. Everything about it is an ape of it. But that's not even so important. What's important is what, that people grabbed at it. So you can't blame, I'm not blaming Mars candy company for producing garbage in the form of Snickers, if that's what people want. I don't have to eat it. I don't have to participate in it. But that's their business because the people want it. 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So we were invited for a television Seder and I was not, so, the chorus was invited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5916.0,5925.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1004","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Which chorus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=5925.0,5926.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1005","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Of this Hebrew Union College. All male, of course, in those days. We were invited to be the chorus- we were going to have a Seder and a discussion of Passover, oh it's Passover, all about Passover, the exodus. And Eli Wallach was the narrator, was very good. And as we begin the program, Edgar, who didn't get along with it, he didn't get along with the rabbi at that time, but anyway, he was in charge. Then he says, he points to me, he says, Bob, you do the Kiddush right away. I did the festival Kiddush. You know, very high notes and all the very- He pointed me out for that. And then we did, and so we went to the, and then it turned out because I did that Kiddush, we were a little short. The Kiddush was not scheduled, and Edgar was an aggressive guy. He wanted the cantor. Really he did it because he wanted the candidate to stand out. He wanted the music to stand out at this moment and not to be full of speeches. And I know what his philosophy was. But anyway, he got criticized for it. But it was one of my, one of the great things I, one of the great great privileges I had. I never heard it back or anything. I don't know what I did. I always loved that Kiddush; I never had a chance to do it again. 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I sang Traviata, Rigoletto, you know... but I could sing hazzanut. High!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6080.0,6088.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1020","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e But you could sing the hybrid, the tenor-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6088.0,6089.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1021","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah. And I could sing those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6089.0,6091.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1022","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e See, that's what I think Sulzer was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6091.0,6093.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1023","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I think he was. It's very high, to listen to those notes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6093.0,6094.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1024","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Absolutely. He was not a baritone. He had an unusual four-octave range.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6094.0,6099.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1025","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Extension. 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Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6162.0,6165.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1039","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e We did, I have a picture here. We did Meistersinger, believe it or not, in English. It was a fabulous production. People can't believe that I did the nachtvista, the night watchman. 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I'll give you a picture. Here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6197.0,6200.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1048","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Just put it up, show it up to the camera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6200.0,6200.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1049","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I'll show you a picture of me in this part, here it is. This is me as the night watchman in, as Meistersinger. See?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6200.0,6220.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1050","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You got that? 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And my grandfather, this was the one who was killed the first day the Germans went into Bialystok after they broke the pact with Stalin. And my grandfather was a, what they, my grandfather was what would they call, they know, what they say (?), but my grandmother's family were wealthy. And what happened in those days, in, when they wanted someone to marry into a wealthy family, they looked around for a scholar so that the children would be bright and they lived in castes, they called it. They lived with the family for a year before the marriage and took the boy into business. 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If, I was in it and I was in the opera of the Mahagonny.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6346.0,6359.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1064","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6359.0,6359.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1065","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I was in Mahagonny at the Washington Opera, in Washington, at the Kennedy Center. In the early days. And this is me, this is me playing Alaska Wolf Joe. I was really miscast, but it's a bass part, but I was beaten up in the ring which, God, but that was me in that. And I also have another picture from that time with the cast. You know, this was also me in the cast and that was also from the same production.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6359.0,6391.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1066","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Was Mahagonny?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6391.0,6393.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1067","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e In Mahagonny, yeah. That was in Washington Opera. This is me, there was a woman who was interested in art and the Metropolitan, and she took a picture of me and which was in the Metropolitan Museum of Art, of some reason, photography. She was behind an opera company that we had. This is me, which my first agent in opera, as a young man. I know I've declined, but that was young me, a picture by Christian Steiner, who was great to talk about... Anyway, these are some.. And when I was a young cantor, I brought some, I don't know if you were interested in this, but when I was a young cantor, these are some of the pictures I had with my confirmation classes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6393.0,6442.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1068","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e This is in Flushing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6442.0,6444.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1069","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e In Flushing. There is another one, I don't know these kids, this is probably in the early '60s or maybe, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6444.0,6452.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1070","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Do they still have confirmation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6452.0,6454.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1071","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e This is '61, this one. Yes, they do have confirmation. We have about three kids or four kids. 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Well, the main productions, that's what Eisenstein, you know, Judith and her husband wrote the, those cantatas for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6472.0,6479.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1079","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e This is a picture. 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And Sydney, I mean, and Seymour Rechtzeit, and myself, and Lori Wilner was the other girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6486.0,6498.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1082","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e That's it. 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I remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6502.0,6503.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1085","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Lori Wilner. And Bruce was, and Mary Soriano, you remember her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6503.0,6508.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1086","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever happened to her? 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And so she, that was her song, and you know, was one of the leads in the production, and then Mary Soriano, when it was 19- that was even before that, I think. I don't, I don't remember she was in that, but she was, she might have been in that. But Mary Soriano was the star of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=6776.0,6797.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, she was. 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How do I know? 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But, you know, that's what everybody thinks that. And that he stayed in Russia, that he was here. She saw him once. She assumed that Stalin sent him here for two years. Oh, he was in Detroit the whole time as the head of the Yiddish Bund. And so I find out from some research assistant of mine that he has a living son and grandson. 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But this is typical of your-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7155.0,7159.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it doesn't really, what matters, the only reason I brought that up is because it had to do with my cantorial because I sang the Bloch Sacred Service in that area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7159.0,7168.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e I wish I had, is there a recording of you singing the Bloch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7168.0,7171.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I have one, but not a, one with Tulsa. 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When people say to me, and these are, sometimes, I mean, people who I respect in every other way, I always stop them when they say that. And I'm thinking of one person, you know, we just need... Let's say a Lewandowski piece. We just need a good baritone. 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Any other pictures we want to fit in here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7334.0,7337.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I don't know if there's any. I think I gave, you know the only thing, if you want to see me as a young man-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7337.0,7342.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Why not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7342.0,7344.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, this was... Oh, this is me. 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What's the name, full name of the show? On Second Avenue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7423.0,7426.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e The second production of it. And these are two, these are a young couple from Canada and they got, they got married eventually. 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I sang and the Russians were very impressed. So they-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7551.0,7558.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Where? Here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7558.0,7558.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Somewhere in America. Not in Russia. In America. It was for the Russian paper in like, you know, whatever it is, in Brighton Beach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7558.0,7565.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah, the Russian-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7565.0,7566.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e One of the Russian papers. So they interviewed me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7566.0,7570.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7570.0,7571.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e But it was nice to see my name in Russian.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7571.0,7573.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Why not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7573.0,7575.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Cyrillic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7575.0,7575.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1339","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Alright. This has been wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7575.0,7577.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1340","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e It's been-.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7577.0,7578.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1341","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e It's been terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7578.0,7579.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but meeting you, it's terrific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7579.0,7582.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e Bob, this is great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7582.0,7584.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eBOB ABELSON:\u003c/strong\u003e I love you, man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7584.0,7585.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979/transcript/25054/annotation/1345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eNEIL LEVIN:\u003c/strong\u003e You're an all around guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40310/file/111979#t=7585.0,7612.07467"}]}]}]}