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And tell me, you were telling me about, about, your, your first association here in the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=17.0,32.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it goes back all the way to 1947.  And Cantor Raymond Smolover, with whom I was, had been friends for some time, introduced me to Max Helfman at the Brandeis office in New York, on — I think it was 45th Street.  And I met Max there, and we became fast friends. And he was at that time in the midst of creating the Brandeis Songbook.  I don’t know whether you’ve ever seen that.  And he asked me to help him do the diacritical marks, and you know, help him with the editing of that. And before I knew it, they asked me to open the Hendersonville Camp in Hendersonville as the first Music Director at Brandeis on the East Coast. We had raised money. I became Max’s accompanist, and he had a group, a song and dance group. And with Shlomo Bardin, we’d go into the synagogues to raise money. He, Max would warm them up, you know, with a song and, and he was, he was very charismatic as a speaker. And then Shlomo would make the pitch after they were warmed up. And we raised enough money, and with the help of the Zionist Organization in the East, we were able to buy the Hendersonville camp. Beautiful camp in North Carolina on a lake. And I became the first Music Director in the, in the East. Max came out here to the West Coast with Shlomo Bardin to start this camp on this site, where we’re sitting now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=32.0,126.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  So the Hendersonville camp was a Brandeis camp…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: … as well.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Absolutely. It was the first camp, actually, it was the first camp put into action. And then, I opened another camp. The co, my co-director actually was Raymond Smolover of that camp, you know, and I was the music director. And then we went up to camp in Pennsylvania, his second camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=126.0,154.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Also Brandeis?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Also Brandeis.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, who, uh…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  What happened was that the Zionist organizations in the East didn’t want to continue supporting it.  They couldn’t support all three camp here on the West Coast, so they closed down the East camps, Eastern camps because they wanted to…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=154.0,175.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  When did the Eastern ones close down?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  They closed down in about 19-, let’s see… ‘40, ’40 let’s see, ’39, ‘40, ‘41, I believe.  Forty-one or ’42.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, that early?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But in other words…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Because…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  These were summer camps primarily?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=175.0,189.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Wait, wait. Let me get the dates straight, you know. Um, let’s see. It was not that early. I’m giving you the wrong dates.  Nineteen fifty-two, 1952. Because I went in a — let’s see. I met Max in 1947, and then in 1949, we opened the Hendersonville camp. And then, in 1951, the Hancock camp.  And then in 1952, they decided to pull out and put all our energies in developing this camp. And Max was already out on the West Coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=189.0,230.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And you…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And at that time, I had gotten, I had gotten to know Mordecai Kaplan. And Max had given me, he and Max had given me some wonderful introductions. And I got a job down in Miami as the Director of the Greater Miami Association of Jewish Centers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=230.0,251.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN: Let me just ask you one more question…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  …about the, the Henderson.  Those, those camps, where you were music director…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  …now these were for young people for…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  These were for, this, the first camps were specifically summer camps devoted to college-age boys and girls who were interested in Judaism…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=251.0,272.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And how much musical activity…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  A lot of activity.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What level, what level of music, I mean?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, I did all kinds of choral pieces with, it was basically Israeli songs, you know. And it was a lot of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It was heavily Zionist.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Heavily Zionist…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  …oriented.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It was very heavily Zionist.  The whole thing.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVING:  And what kind of repertoire?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=272.0,292.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  It was like a, it was like a kibbutz.  The, we did, oh, almost all the songs in Max Helfman’s songbook, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Four-part?  Two-part?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Mainly two-part.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Uh-huh.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Mainly two-part. Boys and girls.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, were you writing for…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=292.0,308.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e And I arranged, arranged them.  And it was, it was part of the curriculum every afternoon, we had to get together and learn new songs and then… for instance, Ki Mitzion and Pugatch Af, you know, was Ki Mitzion Tetze Torah… that was a, a standard, you know, with us.  And or Am Yisroel, dum de de de dum, you know Am Yisroel Chai. And, and then of course, we did a lot of folk dancing. And so Shlomo Bardin, who was really the builder of the curriculum, was trying to transfer the whole idea of the Israeli kibbutz onto American soil and get the college-age boys and girls acclimated to a Judaic life.  They worked in the fields in the morning, we had classes in the afternoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=308.0,368.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did they ever — again, talking about well, at, here as well, but in particular, now the Eastern camps…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, I wrote a lot of music at that time…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You wrote music for them and…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …that I then…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …did they have anything, did they do anything any more sophisticated, though, in a way?  Did they ever have any serious four-part chorus in those camps?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Not, not at that time, no.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How about…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And it’s still the same up here.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s singing though…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Mainly two-part rounds, melodies…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=368.0,394.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  They never went to the, to the, some of the kibbutz choirs are the best ever…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  They never went to that level…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …in America.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I, I went to that level when I took, when I went to Israel at the Zimriya.  I did beautiful works, and I…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, orch-, they never had any such thing as an orchestra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=394.0,410.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e We had, you know, whatever instruments came up to camp.  You know, we would sometimes, whoever played a flute, a guitar, a piano, a clarinet, you know.  Whoever was there among these… We generally had between 40 and 60 boys and girls of college age.  And some of them would bring their instruments, and if, whatever was at hand, I would arrange for that group and, uh, Raikin Ben-Ari, I don’t know if you know of him, he was a marvelous teacher of acting in Hollywood, and his brother had founded the, in Moscow, he’d founded the — what was that famous theater that did The Dybbuk?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=410.0,457.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  The Habima?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The Habima.  His brother founded the, he was one of the actors in the Habima.  And he was, he could make a post act, you know.  And we put on shows, you know of, of Zionist content, of Jewish content, dramatized Peretz and Sholem Aleichem stories, and things like that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, you were there, I mean, by that time, when you started with the Brandeis activities, you were…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I had a…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …already an established composer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=457.0,489.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.  Because how this, how this came about, Raymond Smolover had commissioned me to write his first Torah service.  He had, he was finishing ten years as a cantor at the White Plains Synagogue there.  And — in New York.  And I wrote for his, the tenth anniversary of his being cantor, I wrote a Torah service.  And I wrote, and then I wrote a second Torah service for his 20th anniversary. They, they used this Torah service for about 30 years. I don’t know whether they are still using it. He’s re- now retired, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=489.0,522.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And this is for a regular…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, for a Shabbat…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …choral and so forth…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  A regular Shabbat — for organ, chorus, cantor, you know, a four-part, serious…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And you of course had completed, I mean, your, all your studies as a composer.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, my studies at that time…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That we know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=522.0,536.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e …I had done, I’d worked with Walter Piston at Harvard and Igor Stravinsky during his year at Harvard, and then Paul Hindemith, when I, I had a scholarship, Boston Symphony scholarship with Tanglewood, when Tanglewood opened.  So I’ve had some wonderful teachers, you know. And of course, my greatest teacher who I didn’t study with personally, but I studied the scores of, was Ernest Bloch, who, who later I wrote a book about, you know — The Voice in the Wilderness.  And so I’ve had some pretty good, good background, good training. In the earlier, very earlier, I had private lessons with Marion Bauer.  I don’t know if the name is familiar to you. She was a woman teacher at NYU, and very lovely person. Wrote one of the first books on 20th century American music. And then I also studied with another man by the name of Charles Haubiel, who was the, who had studied with Rosario Scalero, the great teacher of counterpoint and sixteenth century Palestrina style at the Curtis Institute.  I did thousands of exercises with him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=536.0,611.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And in those days, I mean, during your training…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …you didn’t anticipate that you were going to devote so much of your energy…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, no.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …to Jewish things.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, my Jewish background, however, had been pretty intense, because my father had built the Coney Island Jewish Center in — let’s see, he completed that, he was president of that for about eight or nine years in…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=611.0,640.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That was an Orthodox synagogue?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Conservative.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Conservative.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Conservative synagogue.  Rabbi Moseson was his first…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Remember any of the cantors there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …rabbi. Uh, we didn’t have a cantor at the time that it was built. I don’t recall cantors at, at the synagogue. But actually, I was brought up, I got my early training in, in one of the old cheders. Right around the corner from where my father built the synagogue was an old cheder — very dark, and you know, it was the typical cheder — home, the rebbe, the rebbe with a ruler.  And we sat in his, I was, still remember the wash on the line that was hanging from the ceiling in, in the classroom.  In the, so I, it was a real, uh, Orthodox…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=640.0,691.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did you grow up…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …early, early Orthodox training, but I was bar mitzvahed in my father’s temple, of course, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you have exposure to, uh, traditional Jewish music, cantorial Jewish music…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, you know…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …growing up?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In growing up, yes.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yes?  Some of the, some of the greats, I suppose?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=691.0,707.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.  Kwartin and Koussevitzky.  My, when I got married, my, my mother-in-law was the soloist, soprano soloist for Rosenblatt.  For Hazzan Rosenblatt, you know, and she always was singing melodies that she sang with him in his choir.  And she toured with him.  So I was well aware of what was going on in the Jewish world from the time I was born. And then when I made friends in my teens with Ray Smolover — and he was of course drawn to the synagogue world, too, and became a cantor — I became, I wrote pieces for him and his Torah service.  He, he loved that Torah service and did it over and over again, many years. I’ll never forget when I came to his synagogue on the twentieth anniversary, and he had done a program that evening of all contemporary Jewish works. And at the end of the service, the baalebatim were gathered around him and they said, said to him, “You know, Ray, you, you did all these new works we never heard before, but you know, this was supposed to be the special evening of new music.  And, but the Torah service is from Mount Sinai, no?”  So he says — and I was standing right there — he says, “No.  This is the man that composed it ten years ago.” You know. And it’s interesting how your music would find its way into the hearts of people, if it comes from the heart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=707.0,808.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did, now, you, then you went to Florida.  Now, how did that happen?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, here’s what happened. In 19-, let’s see, 1950, when the Brandeis camps began to close down, I had made friends with Mordecai Kaplan and Max, and I was looking for another position.  I had been freelancing in New York.  I was doing — let’s see, in the ‘40s, I was — see, after I left Harvard, this brings me to, how did I make a living?  In, after I left Harvard, I had a fellowship, up there with, with Piston and Stravinsky and Leichtentritt — Hugo Leichtentritt, a great, great musicological scholar, you know.  History of Music of… Music History and Ideas — I don’t know if you’ve ever come across that volume. And so, the first job I got was in Philadelphia, as the composer for the Reagan Film Institute.  And here, we were entering into the period of the First World War in 1940, ‘45…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=808.0,880.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  The Second World War.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The Second World War, Second World War.  And uh, he had a contract, Phil Reagan had a contract with Canada, the Canada Film Board, to produce instructional films for, for, for the Canadian industries and all kinds of films.  So I went to Philadelphia and that, that was my first professional job.  And I was with them for about five or six years, doing scores. And I performed those scores.  I was very fortunate — had the Philadelphia Symphony Orchestra men right at hand, and so forth.  I would, I would use them for the scores, for the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=880.0,923.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  For the incidental background music and stuff…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, for the background music for those.  I did about 40 of those…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Wow.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …documentaries.  At that time too, in the ‘40s, I did the, a full-length documentary for the Boy Scouts of America. And then I did for the War Department, Survival in the Pacific.  It was a big film.  I conducted, I composed, orchestrated and conducted the music, and it was a very exciting film, showing how a pilot who was shot down over the Pacific, how he managed to survive, you know. It was interesting. And then I did another film for Protestant Churches of America.  For their, uh… you know, they had these missionary groups in India.  And so I did, I did a score, rather unusual score in the, in, for, for this missionary work, representing this missionary work in India. So I had, the ‘40s was, was a very interesting period for me, because not only was I involved in the Jewish area with Ray Smolover and Max Helfman and Shlomo Bardin, and then the beginning of the Brandeis camps, but I was doing a lot of work to make a living…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=923.0,1011.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  I’m sure.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …as a freelance composer of documentary films, scoring.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And then you met…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Then…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …you made the connection to Florida…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …then, through Max Helfman, he wrote a beautiful letter.  I, I have been looking for that letter.  It was a wonderful letter.  And I, I have the letter that Mordecai Kaplan wrote, so I’ll give that to you and you can have it for the, for your -\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1011.0,1034.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: - for your collection. And through them, I got this position in Miami.  And the very first person, when I went to Miami, to work for the Greater Miami Jewish Centers Association, the first person I, I saw when I got down there in the fall was Shmillik Kelemer, Cantor Samuel Kelemer.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He, he had been there?  He must have just come there, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1034.0,1057.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  And he was, he was at Temple Valley, he was at — not Valley Beth Shalom, I was there later.  He was at Beth Shalom on the Miami Beach.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Miami Beach Beth Shalom.  And of course, we became fast friends immediately, and he said, “Well, you know, I want to develop here a cantors’ ensemble, and maybe we could put up some music festivals.” And I have, I, I came across, just before, the other day, the program of the first festival we put on.  And I was the executive secretary of the Miami Cantorial Association, and, and…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1057.0,1094.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  These were all men, or men and women?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, all men, men.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Just cantors?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Just cantors, just cantors.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You didn’t have…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Just cantors.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Just cantors.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  But we had, in addition, in the festivals, we had, you know, mixed choirs. \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Uh-huh.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: And we had, well, you have to look at the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …program.  I have it somewhere in this thing…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1094.0,1111.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Would you say that, I mean, you, this period of time in Miami was the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  This was the very…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: This was the heyday of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …195-, yeah…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …of Jewish Miami Beach…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …in the ‘50s, I mean nobody…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1111.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e This is the ‘50s — 1950, 1960.  I had a glorious time setting up choruses for the Associations of the Jewish Centers Association.  I started the Miami Beach Symphony Orchestra.  It was under the auspices, and it’s still in existence today. I developed the, I founded and started the All-Miami Youth Symphony, ‘cause my son, my oldest son, Paul, had been to Florida University Summer Music Camp, and he came home and said, “Dad, I have nobody to play with.” So I put together 40 boys and girls, and that grew into the All-Miami Youth Symphony, an organization which is still functioning today. It’s undergone many changes in the process. Uh, let’s see, what else happened in Miami in the 1950s, 1960?  There was a, I’m trying to recall the many things — oh, yes. Yes. One of the big things, one of the big experiences I had, was when I went to work for the city of Miami. You know, they were trying to develop this international, what — shall we say, business center for Miami.  And so I came up with a plan of forming a, a Jewish — not a Jewish music festival, but a Pan-American Music Festival.  And that is one of the most exciting chapters of how that came about. I, I first called upon five nations to the south of us — Mexico, Venezuela, and Brazil and a few, and a few others, inviting them to this festival which we were going to have in the Dade County Auditorium. Have you been to Miami? Do you know…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1120.0,1237.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Oh, I happened to have been born in Miami Beach.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, so you know the Dade County Auditorium…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No, but I mean…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …and you know Vizcaya, and you know the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, I remember Miami from the ‘50s…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …because everybody went there, and that was the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …that was a different world then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1237.0,1248.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e And I sold them on the idea that this will bring millions of dollars in tourists, and so on. And we put on a ten-day festival. Well, when I first started on this project in, I think it was around ’50, ’55, you know, the Latin Americans are very slow in answering.  So when the first five didn’t respond to my letters — which I sent them in Spanish, of course.  And so I invited another five.  Until I’d invited all 20 of the Latin American republics. And I got a few answers. And then, lo and behold, just a week before the festival began, was scheduled to start, Nixon had gone down to, was it Venezuela, when they, they threw stones…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1248.0,1293.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That’s when they stoned, stoned him.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …stoned him, that’s when I got it.  I was, I’ll never forgot this.  I was at a meeting with the, with the Miami Council…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was late in the ‘50s.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was because…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right — ’56 or ’57, somewheres around there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1293.0,1306.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  At least, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And, and I get this telegram.  I was sitting saying we’re ready to open here, here are the plans.  The Venezuela Symphony Orchestra’s coming to do something.  I get a telegram while I’m sitting at the table, “We are not coming.”  Just like that. So I, I got in touch with a friend of mine who I had met at Tanglewood, and — in 1939, 1940 — and — Luis Escobar, a composer in Colombia. And I said, “How would you like the Bogotá Symphony, the crown of your country, to open our festival?”  So he says, “We haven’t any money.” So he says, well, I said, “Well, if you’ll raise, whatever you’ll raise, I’ll match half,” you know. And so I brought them over to open the festival, the Bogotá Symphony, and I conducted them, and it was a tremendous success. What happened was this — in the week before the festival came, I got a call from the State Department. Not the State Department, but the International Airport. It’s about 11,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1306.0,1373.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"at night, and he said, “Listen. Planes are, military planes are flying in from all over South America.” There was a big chorus, people of… different folk groups, and so on. I had invited everybody, you know. And said, “And they’re coming in without any money, and they’re coming in without any passports.” So fortunately, I had some good contacts with a woman by the name of French, Mrs. French at the State Department. I called her up in the middle of the night, I got her on the phone, I said, “Look here. Here’s the dilemma. We’re starting, opening a festival, and these people are arriving without money, without passports.  What do we do?  And they’re coming in their military planes.” So she opened the gate, she was able to pave the way. And, and I went the next morning before the Council and I said, “I’ve got to have a couple of thousand dollars each day in cash to take care of these people and house them.” So, that was a great chapter in my life. And…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1373.0,1433.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did you have any groups from Cuba then?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes indeed.  Yes.  And I put them in the, at the University of Miami, in the, in the theater there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Of all these groups that came from South America, or from, from, from South America, Central America, Cuba, so were there any Jewish musical groups there, or were they all just…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1433.0,1452.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  No, they all were general, they were folk groups, there were symphonic groups…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But none, no, no Jewish choruses or anything…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, no.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Because there were, even to this day there’s a very good, I understand there’s a very good Jewish chorus in Mexico City.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No. For some reason, they didn’t send, these countries didn’t send their Jewish groups. At the time, the city wanted to just reach the main important musical groups in those particular republics. So…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1452.0,1484.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  You were telling me about a Seder that you…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, yes. I’ll never forget this. The Dade County Auditorium. I conducted a Seder for 500 people. There must have been, well, about 100 big tables, you know. And who was my hazzan?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1484.0,1501.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Jan Peerce.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Jan Peerce. How did you know?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  ‘Cause I know he used to go to Florida, that’s how I knew.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah. Jan Peerce was my hazzan.  And I’ll never forget that event. My youngster, my youngest son, Mark, was the vastefere kashis, you know, Jan Peerce had him up there. And then, in the middle of the Seder, I, Jan calls me over, and he says, “Look, I just got a packet from Ellstein.” He says, “He wants me to do this, this at the Seder, but it came late.”  So I said, “You got the parts?”  He says, “Yes, Ellstein sent, sent the music and the parts.” And I distributed the parts. I had a very good choir, of eight professional voices. I distributed the parts and we performed it right on the spot, like that. And Jan was wonderful to work with. Just, just glorious voice, you know, and…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1501.0,1554.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And there, there’s no chance that there’s a recording of that, is there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, sadly, sadly not.  I only wish, how I wish.  But in those days you didn’t even…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  This was, this was early, it must have been what — ’53 or ’54, something like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Must have been about…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  ‘Cause Ellstein died in about ’56, I think.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  It’s around that time.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  You know.  It’s difficult for me to recall the dates of these things. But these, there were so many wonderful things going on in…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1554.0,1577.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did you have a chorus at the Seder?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Pardon?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you have a chorus?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, I had an eight-voice professional choir.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Chorus.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And ‘course, I, I immediately distributed the parts, and we sort of whispered among ourselves, and, and then we performed the piece.  I’ve forgotten the name of, the name of the piece.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Probably one of the, well, one of the Seder…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  One of the Seder settings that Ellstein did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1577.0,1596.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN: Right. Right. Uh-huh.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: He later recorded that whole service. Ellstein recorded the service with Jan Peerce. In fact, there’s that, there’s a Pes-, Passover record with Jan Peerce. Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Mmm. Yeah, I know that one, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Using music that we did that time, some of that music for the first time. 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What was the kosher hotel…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1616.0,1638.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Sounds like the Crown Hotel.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …uh, Sterling?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Might have been the Sterling.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Crown?  Those were the, in those days… I’m just guessing.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It’s just….  But you know, there was so much going on that was exciting. I remember, I did choral work at Temple Emanuel, Rabbi Lehrman’s temple.  You knew him, Rabbi Lehrman?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1638.0,1659.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  He’s still there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He’s still…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He’s still there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …still functioning?  He and Bella?  You remember his wife, Bella?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, I don’t know about Bella, but -\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  She ran the temple.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I mean he’s, he’s maybe retired, but he’s still…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  He must be retired.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: … he’s still the rabbi, the senior rabbi.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He became a wealthy rabbi there.  I just used that temple — that temple had standing room only Friday nights.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You know he was, you know his relative was Sam, was the Goldfarbs?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And, and another…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1659.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Israel Goldfarb.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …his, on Bella’s side, on his wife’s side, was, was our first rabbi, my father’s first rabbi, Moseson.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Uh-huh.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  You know?  And that’s how, that’s how I…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I see.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …you know, the connections.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah, yeah.  What about the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And then, then in Coral Gables, I had another group.  I don’t know if you heard of Rabbi Skop.  At Coral Gables Jewish Center.  And one of my soloists was Judy Drucker. Judy…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1680.0,1707.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  She’s the big manager down there now.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Of course.  She’s the Madam Hurok of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah, Florida.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …she brought, what, Pavarotti.  Remember?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah, yeah.  She’s the agent down there.  I mean…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Fantastic things she’s done there.  She was a student of mine, voice student of mine.  And we’re still dear friends.  I call her every once in a while.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You still keep up with her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1707.0,1724.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  I just called her the other, just about three or four weeks ago, you know.  And…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Huh.  Is she still active?  I mean, she’s not retired.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, very.  Not her.  She, she, she’s, she cooks for Pavarotti, she, she brings all the big…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  She still does present.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …oh, she’s still presenting…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Performances.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1724.0,1745.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: …major performances there, you know.  She’s friends with Isaac Stern, she’s friends with all — with Yo-Yo Ma, you name it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You must remind me, when we’re finished today…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …you remember, I’m going to be in Florida in February, January, and…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, you must look her up.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …no, I have to talk to you about something, that you’ll set me up with her, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1745.0,1761.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Judy Drucker is, is a ball of fire.  And she still is that way. And she was that way as a youngster, when I had had her as a student. And then she became my soloist at some of the Jewish music festivals. In fact, one of the programs that I have, that I’ll show, that I brought for you, she was my soloist there, and she was my…. Oh, yes, the other thing I did while I was in Miami, I became the Director for Hillel, yeah, Miami University, the Hillel Foundation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1761.0,1789.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Is that the, is that the symphonietta?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  And chamber orchestra there.  I had a very fine chamber orchestra.  Amateur group, of course.  But we did all kinds of works.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, when you say, this Hillel, was that, the Hillel Foundation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1789.0,1802.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  The Hillel House.  We had the, it was the Hillel House on the campus of Miami University.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And they actually had an orchestra?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And I, I put the orchestra together.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What kind of things did you do with them?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, we did, we did Corelli, we did Vivaldi, we did all the standard classical things for strings.  We did…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How about your own music?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The \u003cSOUNDS LIKE Grieg-Koberg Suite\u003e, we did my Patriarchs, we did a number of…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1802.0,1827.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  What is the Patriarchs?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It’s a set of compositions based on, orchestral pieces for, inspired by the words of Moses and David and Elijah and…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  For chamber orchestra?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, for chamber orchestra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1827.0,1844.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  So why can’t, why don’t we record those for the CDs, for the archive?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I guess we could.  We’ll speak about that later.  I have the score and parts at home.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s a piece you like?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I love it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I mean, you still — ‘cause a lot of times, people…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  It has a wonderful…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …look back…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …it has a wonderful viola solo.  The second, it’s the third movement. It’s got a glorious viola solo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1844.0,1862.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And it could be done by, if it was done here, or, or — for example, I’m thinking of doing some things up at Interlocken, with the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, great.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …with, this might be a good piece for them to do.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  I’ll…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Let’s talk about that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I brought you a program.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In fact, it was programmed by the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How long a piece is it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It’s about, let’s see, the four movements, it’s about 15 minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1862.0,1882.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Perfect.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And it was done recently by Noreen Green and the Los Angeles…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  L.A. Symphony?  Did she ever record any of it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, the Jewish Philharmonic.  I think I have a…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You get me a recording, and we’ll see.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …a tape of it.  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.  So then, so that’s interesting.  So that’s, you actually did things like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What other, any other of your works did you do with them?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, with, oh yes. I wrote the, you know, 18, 1955 was the celebration of the Jewish Tercentenary.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1882.0,1910.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  You know, Jews settling…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: ‘54.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …settling… yeah, in ’54.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN ‘54 was it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, ’54. So I wrote a suite for viola. And the first, the first violist of the, that time, the Miami Philharmonic, Milton Stern — not Milton Stern… oh, dear…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Cater.  No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1910.0,1930.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  No, no. His name is Stern. It’ll, his name? It’ll come to me. Did the performance at the, at the University.  So I celebrated the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s viola suite for what? Viola and piano, or…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1930.0,1957.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e The Jewish, for piano and viola. Tercentenary Suite. Another thing I did was for Jean Bedetti, who was the first cellist of the Boston Symphony, who just retired. The Voice of the Psalmist, I did a number of settings for him. For cello and piano. So it was quite an exciting thing — you know, he was a first-class cellist. Great, great cellist. And uh, and - you know, you bring so, so many memories.  I haven’t thought of this in, in, in 30, 40 years, you know. Let’s see. The ‘50s, ‘60s — how many years ago is this? This is now ’96?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1957.0,1989.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Well, hold on.  Forty-six?  Forty years ago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Forty years ago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s more than 40 years ago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  So the ‘50s… then, I’ll tell you what happened.  It, in 1960, Max had been working up here, and he’d had several heart attacks on this campus.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, he wasn’t in Florida?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He was out here.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  When did he come here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=1989.0,2009.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  He was developing a campus out here.  And so he came to Florida, to my surprise he came to Florida, and he, and he met with me, he said, “Look.  I’ve got an offer from the University of Judaism to start the School of the Fine Arts.”\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Okay, let me ask you about that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  This is a special…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2009.0,2030.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  …special thing.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s very important because…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  …it’s not…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  That’s how this took place.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In the, that was around the 1960s?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  This was 1960.  The summer of 1960.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was at the University of Judaism.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Now, the summer of 1960, he had been invited by Max Vorspan and David Lieber to come to the University of Judaism, and he had been just getting over several heart attacks.  So he flew to…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2030.0,2052.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And he was young then.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  He was still a young man.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He was, was in his 50s.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He was in his 50s.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And so, he flew to Miami to meet with me, and he said, “Look, I want you to come out and help me start this school.”\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I want to ask you, though, was there anything before that, was, was there nothing at the University of Judaism in the late ‘50s?  No?  This was the beginning, then.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Uh, well, uh…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2052.0,2075.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  In music. I’m talking about music. Or arts.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: The University of Judaism started around 1945.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In Los Angeles. I don’t recall whether, well, he had done some work for them, you know, intermittently…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  There was some musical activity going on, wasn’t there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2075.0,2093.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Max was their sort of pro tem music director.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Without, without a…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Without a specific position.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So this was now, he had to start a specific…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2093.0,2108.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Now, now, the University said, we’re going to make you the Dean. Dean Max Helfman. And we want you to start a School of the Fine Arts. Music, drama, dance, history — the whole thing, the whole, the whole shmear, so to speak.  And this was a big, big job. And so Max came to me, he said, “Look, I’ve had,” he said, and he, and when he got off the plane, I, I hardly recognized him. Because Max is, had, in the years, the early years when I worked with him, he was a portly, husky guy, you know.  And he was a shadow of himself.  He had had these heart attacks. 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It became a, an extension kind of school under, do you know Jack Schecter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2154.0,2171.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Yeah, sure.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But that’s not…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, Jack came much later.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was much later.  But…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  See Jack, he…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In terms of it, they never gave any degrees.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  In the first six, first six years, 1960 to 1966, we graduated students with Bachelor’s Degrees in Jewish Music.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2171.0,2190.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah, sure.  They, because we were working on our accreditation, you know.  You have to get accredited by the college associations and so on.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But what about…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …Master’s or Doctoral Degrees…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  We went up to, up to Master’s…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you give any Master’s Degrees?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2190.0,2207.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  And I… we gave a couple of Master’s.  I think we gave a Master to Philip Moddel.  And…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In Jewish music?  \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: It’s called a Master?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And then they gave me a Doctorate in fine arts.  I had written, I did a thesis on, at that time, on Ernest Bloch.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2207.0,2229.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  And part of my, my thesis work, I did at UCLA, with, with a very fine professor there who was a real tough taskmaster.  And then my Jewish work I did in this, the rabbinic side, Mordecai Kaplan, at that time, was one of the professors.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, Simon Greenberg was coming out…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2229.0,2250.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Simon Greenberg was…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …to go to the Seminary.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …a Jew, yes, Simon Greenberg was the Chancellor.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And Max Vorspan and David Lieber was the President and…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Greenberg was more or less commuting between New York and here.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right, right, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But the question is, you, you actually gave degrees?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Up through the, through those six years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2250.0,2267.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  We didn’t give many.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, whatever.  Even one.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And there were some Master’s.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Some Master’s.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What — MFA?  Master of Fine Arts.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Master of Fine Arts, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And the Bachelors’ were Bachelor of Fine Arts?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  BFAs.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What about Doctoral?  Was there any…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And I was the only doctor, the only Doctorate.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But what was the thing with, with, let’s see — the Seminary in New York was supposed to be supervising, ‘cause Hugo Weisgall had some…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2267.0,2289.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …thing with them — what was that all about?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, there was a, there was some rivalry. They, they were already feeling challenged by the, this development on the West Coast, you know, the rival institution.  We became, all of a sudden, we became the rival institution.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, didn’t Moddel, didn’t Moddel want to go on and do a Doctorate then, or something, but that had to come through New York? I don’t think there were…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2289.0,2310.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: Yeah, right. Yeah — they weren’t ready to grant it at that time.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah. But it would, there was the connection, of course.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: And nothing ever came, he never… what about Ach-\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: He never completed his…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Now, but I want to ask, about Achron, about not Ach-, yeah.  The thing with Achron…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2310.0,2327.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: Yeah, Achron was the first project.  That was a very fascinating project. Phil was one of the students in the, in the school. And he was looking for a project for his Master’s thesis, so I said, well, look — how about doing a thesis on Isidor Achron, you know. 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So we looked around…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, was Achron here at that time, or was he still alive? No, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2352.0,2370.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e He was, yes.  Achron had been, no — he had died.  And he had left all his music to his daughter and his wife.  They were very poor. In fact, he left them very, very poorly situated. He had been working, doing hack work for the studios out here. He rewrote film scoring, you know. And what happened was a fascinating thing. 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And that’s how he came to…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How… and then Moddel, you…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And then Moddel did the, yeah…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …you helped him with the project?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …then, yes.  And then Moddel became, that was his project,that was his M.A. thesis.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But what happened to all, what, what did, what happened with all that music, the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2467.0,2485.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  It, he gave it to the University of Jerusalem.  You know, Werner took over the library later on, in the University of Jerusalem.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No, you mean…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Who took over the…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It depends which you mean.  You mean…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The music library.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In Israel, you’re talking about?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In Israel.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You mean Israel Adler?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Not Adler.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, there’s two.  Werner was involved with Tel Aviv University.  That’s something else — I doubt…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2485.0,2505.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  What university was Werner involved in?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Tel Aviv University, but that’s… you mean Eric Werner?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Eric Werner, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That’s Tel Aviv University.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Tel Aviv.  Because…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It never really, it never really got off the ground there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And then there, but the big, the main place is Hebrew University in Jerusalem.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Heb - that’s the university! I couldn’t think of it.  Hebrew University in Jerusalem received…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2505.0,2527.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  All, Moddel sent it to them?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  All… sent it to them.  And they, they have this trunkful of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …all the manuscripts.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Too bad, because we should have it, it should have been here, not there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In case, yeah.  In case you get to Israel…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, I ask because we want to do, for example, now Achron wrote, did, you never…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He wrote quartets, he wrote…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you know Achron?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, I never knew him.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, it was too late.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He was already dead.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Because he wrote three violin concerti.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  The second…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  He wrote a cello concerto.  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Now, after 19-, so between ’60…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  So…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …and ’66, what did you do at the Hebrew, at the, here, at the, at the UJ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2568.0,2587.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e At UJ, oh, God.  We put on, first of all, I formed a U, a UJ Symphonietta. I gave four concerts a year. Music from Israel, music by Tal and by Lavry. 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Wonderful cellist, wonderful cellist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2653.0,2688.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  And, and you had an audience for, for it?  People appreciated it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  And, yeah, well, well, members of, you know, people who supported the university.  We, we played, our auditorium seated about 300. Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, what happened, and so, you say it lasted till ’66, this program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2688.0,2702.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, what happened was, I got an offer.  My family was growing up, the salary wasn’t the greatest at the University of Judaism. You know. And so I got an offer from Cal State University to come and build for their department. They wanted to start a humanities kind of program for undergraduates at the university, in music. It went beyond music appreciation — it was music, art, poetry, literature, philosophy — the, the whole thing. So they asked me to do this.  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And I, I established this program.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And you stayed there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In Music, Art and You — I wrote a, I wrote a textbook for this — Music, Art and You, for this project.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I haven’t seen that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2747.0,2762.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e And I stayed there since nine… from 1966 to 1982, when I had a heart attack, my first heart attack in 1982.  I had quadruple bypass, and all that business put a spoke in my wheel, you know. And while I was there, I had some wonderful experiences. In 1980, I did the, a centennial, an Ernest Bloch exhibit.  You know, he was a wonderful photographer?  I, I put on a — and I have one of the programs, the program that I put together.  Ernest Bloch — Photographer and Composer.  He was a great photographer.  He was a friend of Stieglitz.  He knew the… and he had a wonderful eye.  And somewheres, there was an archive of some thousand prints of his I was able to get my hands on, and I’ve forgotten exactly where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2762.0,2820.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Where?  Here, in the United States?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I have it… yeah. In the United States. I have it mentioned in this program, if you, I’ll give you later. And I was able to bring a hundred of the best pieces of his art, of his photo-, photographic art. He was a real artist as a photographer. It was a great success. The, an Ernest Bloch Festival.  That was in….And before that, I did a, another huge project at the university in 1976, our centennial, the bicentennial, the American bicentennial.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2820.0,2853.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN: Right, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: I organized, at every department of the university, 200 events, 200 events, in which each division of the university made a contribution. Lectures, exhibits, special programs.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you compose anything especially for the bicentennial?  In Jew, you know, of a Jewish nature?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2853.0,2875.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Not, not, not for, not for that event, no.  But for, I’m coming to another, another event that I put on where I did. Oh, God. This, this is too much, too much. You know… the, so the Bloch in 1980, in, in the bicentennial in 1976, huge success.  And then in 1980, the Bloch Festival.  And then, in 1992, despite the fact that I had retired in 1982, I still keep, once I got over the heart operation — it took me a year to recover — I went back to teaching. And you know, speaking of teaching, that’s one of my great loves.  My first great love, I would say.  I taught at that university practically 25,000 students over that period from 1960 through 1982.  Because I had these huge classes in the music hall — 150 to 200 students at a time.  And maybe three sections a day, you know.  And so, I was a, I was a glutton for work.  And I gave such assignments, you wouldn’t believe.  And…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2875.0,2961.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  I want to go back to the UJ period.  You were Assis-, when you were Assistant Dean there…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And the short-lived, six, in other words…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Six years.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …in ’66 they just closed the program, right?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was the end of it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  They, they, well, Max had died in ’62.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  ‘2, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And then…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So what happened, who was head of it after Max died?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2961.0,2980.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Uh, let’s see, after Max died, there was a man from Chicago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Jospe?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Ernest Jospe.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Jospe.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  What’s, Irwin.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Irwin.  Irwin Jospe, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Irwin Jospe.  Irwin Jospe came along, and he tried to make, make this work.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  As the dean.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  As the dean.  It didn’t work too well.  He wasn’t too charismatic a figure…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=2980.0,3005.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  No.  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.  And German…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …German Jew.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Very, very rigid.  And so after I left, he was there for a couple of more years, and then they closed it down.  Closed it down completely.  And then Jack Schechter took it over and made it an extension…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3005.0,3025.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That’s something else.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  …school.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But as far as a degree…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Unfortunately that was, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But you had, during the years that you did try to make it work there, you had some interesting faculty.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, we had marvelous faculty.  Roy Harris.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Roy Harris taught…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In composition, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  They actually taught composition at the UJ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3025.0,3044.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah, yeah.  They would come to his home, and Mario Castelnuovo-Tedesco.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He taught composition there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Composition.  I studied orchestration with him.  He was great on orchestration.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Uh, this was all at the UJ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3044.0,3058.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.  This is at the, yeah.  And listen to this — then I had Alfred Sendry.  Now, with Sendry I had a wonderful relationship.  Sendry had been one of the German refugees, you know, that had, along with the special group in Los Angeles — Thomas Mann and Zeisl and Toch and the whole coterie of, of brilliant Jews, you know. And Sendry was a remarkable scholar and musicologist.  First of all, he was a great conductor.  He was conductor of the Leipzig Orchestra at the turn of the century.  And also, he did the first German premiere of the Sacred Service of Bloch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3058.0,3111.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Where?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In, before, let’s see — Bloch wrote the Sacred Service in ’30, ’33, he finished it in ’33.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So where did, where did he do the pre - the German premiere of it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Before Hitler forced him out, it was one of the last things he did in Leipzig. \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Huh!\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: And when he really, he went to France, and he couldn’t get a job in France.  He asked, the job he got was as a conduct-, teacher of conducting.  And who was his best pupil?  Munch.  Was it Carl Munch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3111.0,3145.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Uh, Charles Munch.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Charles Munch. And let me tell you, he told me all about this because I was very close with Sendry. I became the editor of three of his books, Music in Ancient Israel, then Music in the Diaspora and The Social and Religious Life of the Antiquities, which was his last big work. I did the, he wrote in, what do you call, kitchen English, translated from the German and then I would refine the style, and I did the proofreading and I did the indexing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3145.0,3177.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Of course, they’re out of print now.  But they should be re-issued.  The…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, they’re marvelous books.  \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So you had Sendry actually teaching there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Sendry was teaching there. Musicology.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Musicology.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, history of music, musicology, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  This, this is the most brilliant faculty.  You’ve got something here that the world doesn’t know about…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, it’s just unbelievable.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …and lasted for six years…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …unbelievable.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And then just, and then was just allowed to die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3177.0,3196.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  And then just allowed to die.  Just…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I mean, nothing like this ever happened in New York.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Nothing like this ever happened except in Israel.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And that was it.  How about Bonia Shur?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Bonia Shur came later.  After…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And he was more, he wasn’t on that level, was he?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, no.  Not on that level.  He was on, more in the popular vein.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3196.0,3214.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  What did he do?  Just kind of group singing?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, group singing, and he, he didn’t do too much, you know.  Bonia Shur was, had a certain flair, you know, for Bonia Shur.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And that was before he went to, to Cincinnati.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3214.0,3232.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And who, and Zemach?  Who was Zemach?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Benjamin Zemach, he was a, a marvelous teacher of drama.  And he was the brother of the founder of Habima.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, oh, I see.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Benjamin Zemach.  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And it was a series — you know who has some of those tapes?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3311.0,3335.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Some of those tapes are in the, in the library, I gave about 40 of those tapes to, let’s see, there’s an archive at Cal State, Cal State, not Northridge, but, I think it’s Long Beach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3335.0,3362.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  We’ll check it out.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But it’s Cal State?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, it’s…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s in the library?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, it’s in tape carts, archives…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  These are tapes of these broadcasts?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, tapes of these…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  They’re tapes of actual performances.  Musical performances?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …tapes, tapes of these performances.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Were they live?  You performed the music live?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Mostly recordings.  No, these, the interviews were live.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But the performances were…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The performances were recordings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3362.0,3380.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Commercial recordings.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Because I couldn’t afford to…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, so there wouldn’t be any…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …the university couldn’t afford a…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  There wouldn’t be anything there that…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Not live.  No. I had Max Helfman on.  I used tapes of their works, I used recordings of their works to illustrate what they were doing, what they, you know, what they had achieved.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And you think that’s at — which Cal State?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3380.0,3401.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  At Cal State North-…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.  Long Beach.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Long Beach.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Long Beach Cal State.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  They have a, an oral history and an archive of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, tell me about, you also did a lot of synagogue work.  You were…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, yes.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …you worked with Sam Fordis?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3401.0,3420.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, when I was, when I, how, you open up another treasure trove. When I came to Los Angeles with, with Max, naturally, the University didn’t pay a very good salary.  So I got a job with, as the organist and choir director at Valley Beth Shalom.  I was with Max - with Sam Fordis for six years. And we did a wide range of the usual synagogue liturgy.  I wrote some things…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3420.0,3449.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Now, what — yeah, about your own music?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …I wrote some things for him.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How much did, how much would you say, I mean, you…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You devoted a certain part of your career…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …to writing music for the synagogue.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.  I, I have it here.  I think I gave you, I have a list for you here.  Here’s my music Judaica.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Alright, I’ll take this.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But I mean, I think I came over to your house once…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3449.0,3470.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.  I have…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …and you were, this was a long time ago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But I remember you, you were just working, could it have been a big Lecha Dodi or something like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s a big piece.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Was that it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.  I did, I think I was working on the High Holiday suite.  I have a Ma Tovu, I have Lecha Dodi, the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3470.0,3491.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Well, something, I think you might have even been orchestrating it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I don’t recall at the time.  Maybe you were thinking of the, my Walt Whitman work.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That’s something else.  It was a, it was a synagogue… but, but you’ve written a substantial amount of music for the synagogue.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, well, here, this will give you a list of…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3491.0,3510.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: …of what I’ve done.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And what about, aside from Sam Fordis, had you been out…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, then I, I was with Sam for six years.  Then I went over to, I got a better salary at Beverly Hills Temple Emanuel.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Who was cantor there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3510.0,3526.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  With Edward Krawll.  Did you know Eddie?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And Eddie was very enterprising, and that synagogue was wealthy.  And I was able to hire the Los Angeles Philharmonic.  We did the Bloch Sacred Service with 60-voice chorus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3526.0,3542.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That’s where, what’s his name, Boruch Cohen came later.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You know, they were talking about merging altogether with Wilshire Boulevard, or something like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  That’s, that’s what I’ve heard, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I think it’s, now, I don’t know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Anyway, but…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I did a lot of things.  And then I was very active with the Organists’ Guild.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3542.0,3562.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  So you’re an org-, you play the organ as well?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, I played the organ, yes.  I was organist and choir director.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: You had organ training?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Or you just picked it up?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I had picked it up, basically.  But I enjoyed playing the organ, and I did a lot of organ work, you know, at the synagogues, at both synagogues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3562.0,3578.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Now, does this catal-, this catalogue have all your Jewish-related works, or just the synagogue works?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Most, mostly synagogue works.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But what about your other, for, things that you’ve done?  Now, we talked about the, the Patriarchs, but that’s a long, but that’s old, that’s early Strassburg.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  How about middle period and late period Jewish works?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Uh…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That are not synagogue pieces.  Secular pieces.  Instrumental pieces.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3578.0,3599.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Oh, the secular stuff I did in Japan, I went to Japan and did my choral symphony.  And been a…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I mean secular Jewish things.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Not secular Jewish things, no.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Like the Patriarchs is a secular Jewish piece, right?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What you did in Japan was not…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3599.0,3617.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  No.  That was Walt Whitman, for the Walt Whitman Centennial.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  See, part of my work was inspired by biblical Hebrew Scriptures, and the other side of me…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Is Whitman.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …is Walt Whitman.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, how did you get into this fascination with Whitman?  You’ve had it all your life.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  All my life.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  All my life, I’ve loved Walt Whitman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3617.0,3635.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  But why Whitman in particular?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Because he seemed to me to be a Judaically-oriented prophet.  His poetry is like the Psalms, because you know, it’s free verse, as the Psalms are free verse.  In fact, all of our scriptures are free verse, when you come down to it — you don’t find any rhymed verse in the Scriptures.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3635.0,3656.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  No, it’s too early in the history of poetry.  There’s no rhyming.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And so, he was like that.  And then, very early in his career, he, he found a love for the Judaic — people don’t know anything at all about this — when he was editor of The Aurora Journal in New York City, a newspaper, he went to synagogue, and he wrote two wonderful articles.  He went to an Orthodox synagogue.  He didn’t understand a thing of what was going on.  But he went and he wrote two magnificent articles on the synagogue, and what he experienced there, and how they took the Torahs out like loaves of bread. They looked…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3656.0,3695.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did he say anything in those articles about music?  Did he mention the music at all?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  About the chanting, yes.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He did?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, and how everyone was davenning.  And he was a very, he was a journalist — very keen observer.  And I have those articles.  And his, his outlook, his whole outlook, to me, was very close to the Judaic…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3695.0,3720.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Well, you’ve written a lot of music on him.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …I’ve written a lot of music, yes.  I’ll give you.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: And you, you, you used to be involved in The Whitman Society.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, I have, I’m the founder of The Walt Whitman Circle, and it reaches out internationally. Here’s, I’ll give you some idea of the music that I’ve written on Walt Whitman.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3720.0,3745.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That’s a lot.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  And I started a Walt Whitman Circle.  I have members in Japan, in Poland, in Austria, in France.  I have a group at Leisure World, in its sixth year now.  We meet once a month, and we study Walt Whitman’s work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3745.0,3775.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  All Whitman?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And, all, only, mainly Walt Whitman.  And I’ve given many programs…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, back to Jewishly-orientated works, symphonic works.  Those are more, would you say those are more your earlier periods?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  More my earlier period, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Uh huh.  Or instrumental things, sonatas, things like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Like Torah Sonata.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3775.0,3795.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Torah Sonata I was going to ask you about.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, Torah Sonata I wrote at Brandeis in 1950.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now, we recorded, did we record that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I don’t know whether you did.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It was set to be recorded for the archive.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s a good piece.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I play it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And how about orchestrations?  I’ve seen some of your orchestrations for, not for your own music, but Jewish orchestrations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3795.0,3814.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Oh, oh, yeah.  The Lewandowski Hallelujah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, you know, I conducted that last month.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  You did that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In London.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, my God.  How’d – how’d it go?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It was great.  I mean, I, I had to eliminate some of the instruments, because we didn’t have that big an orchestra, but it doesn’t matter.  You know, you…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  I wrote it in a very…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You wrote it so that you can take away…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …solid…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You don’t have to have piccolos, and I just left them out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3814.0,3832.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Right, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah, I didn’t change a note of it, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, my God.  How nice to know that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.  A month ago.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  So what was the occasion?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, it’s part of a, a, a, it’s part of a larger presentation I do.  We did a big thing at the Barbican in London.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh, great.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But, but the Zemel, you know, the Jewish, the Zemel Chorus in London sang it, and so forth. The Jewish…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3832.0,3853.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  It’s so nice to know that that orchestration is still alive.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But what other, have you done anything, other things like that?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I, I…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Or how did that come about?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, let me see.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Was it just a one of a kind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3853.0,3867.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Oh, yes.  Yes.  Stephen S. Wise was having their twenty-fifth anniversary.  So I, I wrote a piece for them, and then the Cantors Association in Los Angeles wanted to do a big festival at the Shrine Auditorium.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, oh, I remember that.  I thought… you orchestrated that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3867.0,3889.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, I thought Isaacson had orchestrated it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, that was your orchestration they did at the Shriner’s?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That was in…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  At the Shrine.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It was not that long ago.  It was in ’90, in ’91.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Or, yeah, ’91.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  That was good! Yes.  Also the orchestration that, Joe Gole sang several pieces I orchestrated for him.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Did you did that?  I don’t remember what it was.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I think I, I’ve forgotten what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3889.0,3909.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  The cantorial things, or…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, cantorial things.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, you did his orchestrations?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Have you done any other cantorial orchestrations?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I, nobody’s asked me, so…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  That’s the trouble, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, so…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Because they’re needed, but…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, but, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So these are the, basically, the only…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The only thing…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Or how about for Yiddish folk songs?  Any orchestrations you’ve done?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3909.0,3927.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Nothing that comes to mind.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You never did any, any settings of Yiddish poetry, have you?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  Earlier, now that you ask me. I did — Shmillik asked me for a setting…  I did, oh, I can’t recall the title of it.  I remember doing it for him — Yiddish…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3927.0,3955.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …choral work.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Was it for Shmillik – oh, that’s it. All right, now, I want to ask you a few more things here, and then, ‘cause we - \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And then we’ll continue, we’ll talk a little bit about [INAUDIBLE] before the opera and right after.  But I notice, I mean, some of your, some of the more known students that you had — I - Charles Davidson.  Did you…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3955.0,3975.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah, Chuck, I started Chuck in composition.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, I didn’t know that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And I see…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And then Jack Druckman, who died recently.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Just this year he died, just this year.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  What a pity.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What a terrible, terrible…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Jack studied. I went, when he came out to the Coast about five years ago, he did a program of his own music in the Ahmanson Theater.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3975.0,3994.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Druckman?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Jack Druckman.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And where did, why did…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  And…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …where did you teach him?  Where was he your student?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, he was my student at the, um, Philadelphia, this Philadelphia Settlement Music School.  I followed Volpe there, as teacher of composition.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh.  Settlement House?  No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=3994.0,4014.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.  The Settlement Music School…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Settlement something — I forget, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …in, in…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In Philadelphia?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …the slums of Philadelphia.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Wasn’t Ralph Shapey there once?  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No, no.  Shapey wasn’t there.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He was in New York.  So that’s where you - where Druckman was your student?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Druckman was my student there, along with Arthur Harris, along with — let’s see, who else I had…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  In what level?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Well, I gave…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  At the teenager?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4014.0,4036.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: Teenager, but I started them in composition.  I, I got them into Schoenberg, and the 12-tone system.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Where did you teach Charles Davidson?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Charles was at, at, the Henderson, at Hendersonville.  He started…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  He was at Brandeis-Bardin?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4036.0,4056.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Right.  And so, we were talking about Jack.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Jack Gottlieb we were talking about, too.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  Jack, no.  Oh, also Jack Gottlieb, also at Brandeis.  And we were talking about Jack Druckman. I went to see him, I hadn't seen him in 20 years, and I went backstage after the concert, of course…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4056.0,4074.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG: …and I said, “Jack, I guess you don’t remember me, you know. I changed a great deal.”  And he says, “Oh, yes, I do,” he says, “and I’ll never forget what you taught me.”  I said, “What did I teach you?”  I didn’t remember.  He says, “You put me through the \u003cSOUNDS LIKE Hindamans, Tveis dimma gazotz\u003e, and I never forgot it, you know.”\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.  Now, let me ask you about Jack Gottlieb, ‘cause we both know him well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4074.0,4096.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  When he, he, he was a young boy when…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …when he was studying…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, I had him when he was a youngster, at Brandeis.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And so, you were teaching him what?  Counterpoint theory, or what?  General things?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Beginning, beginning theory, harmony, counterpoint, you know.  The, generally, I gave him an assignment write a Friday night service, write a Shabbat service.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4096.0,4113.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  So he was interested in those things then?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And, and you saw the talent in him then, and so forth?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, yeah, he was talented.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And, and, and then, I guess he went on to Brandeis University, I guess, I think, later.  I think that’s where he went to college.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, yeah. I also did the same thing with Michael Isaacson.  Michael Isaacson came to me…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Where?  Here or there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: …in…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4113.0,4134.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  That was here.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I, no.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No, no, that was there?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  This was at Lenox, no.  Michael came to me at Lenox, Mass.  I was doing a program, a teaching program for Hebrew Union College, in Lenox, Mass.  And he would, he and Max Stern — did you know Max Stern, who went to Israel?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Well, I don’t know him personally, but of course, the name, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4134.0,4155.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Yeah, him and Max Stern were my two best students at that particular institute.  And on the faculty was Isaac Bashevis Singer.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Really?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  You know how all these things pop into your mind?  And we were, I was great friends with Isaac Bashevis Singer. And Michael Isaacson did a, his first Shabbat service for me.  It was a student assignment — write a Friday night service, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4155.0,4178.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Did, did, did - when Jack Gottlieb was a student at, was it, would you say he… then, that…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, he…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …his Jewish music was his interest, I mean his focus right away?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, he had a, a strong interest in it, yes.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Right away.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Same thing with Chuck Davidson.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Same thing with Davidson.  Of course, Davidson became a cantor…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …and that’s a whole different thing. In the time remaining, I want to talk to you about the opera.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Oh-","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4178.0,4200.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Oh, Chelm — now that’s the only opera you’ve written?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Biddy biddy bom, biddy biddy bom.  I love that opera, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  I, this is your…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  No.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: …this is your only opera?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I’m writing another opera right now.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But that’s about Whitman, I’ll bet dollars on it. Alright, okay, that’s not… \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, right. But this opera you’re going to hear this afternoon, is still…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  All right.  Tell me, how did it, how did it, when did you do it, and how did it start?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4200.0,4218.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Well, Westchester Opera Company, which Raymond Smolover was working as the director of, commissioned me, had them commission me to do an opera.  He wanted to do an opera along with, he did, with half a dozen other composers, different operas…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah, he had picket rights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4218.0,4237.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  Picket, you know. So, but this opera, I… I felt, that since he sent me a libretto based on Chelm’s Stories, you know…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  With The Wise Man…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: … Sholem Aleichem, The Wise Men of Chelm.  And so I wrote some of my most joyous music.  You’ll, you’ll hear it this afternoon.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  What year was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4237.0,4257.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  This was 1955. 1955. And then I came up to New York — I was in Florida at the time.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  So you wrote it in Florida?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  A lot of things happened in Florida.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Probably the only opera ever written in Florida.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I guess so.  So, so I had, I had always loved Yiddish folk melodies.  And so I absorbed, through my pores, through my feeling.  This whole thing is so Yiddish in a very joyous way, you know.  But with English text.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4257.0,4292.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  It’s all in English.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It’s all in English.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Now you orchestrated it at one time?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yes.  It was for harp, for — well, [INAUDIBLE] was harp, flute, clarinet, violin, cello, piano.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  When you say violin and cello, you mean just one.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  One, you know.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh, so it was a chamber group.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Chamber, chamber group.  It’s a chamber opera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4292.0,4310.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  You say the parts have been lost, but what about the score?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  The score and the parts were lost in transit.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Were lost.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  It was pushed around, it’s had about 60 performances, you know, on the East Coast, on the West Coast.  Maurice Goldman did it out here.  The year before I came, he had given a number of performances of it up and down the West Coast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4310.0,4330.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN: But if…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG: You know Maurice Goldman?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  No.  So you had orchestration, you remember what the orchestration was.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I still remember it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  It’s just a — what?  Six, seven instruments.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Right.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  But if we wanted to record it, with, with the original orchestration that you made, you’d have it do it over again from scratch.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, I’d have to sit down and do it all over.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  You could do that.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah, of course I could do that, but it would take some time and a little money to, you know, to, to have the thing properly copied.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4330.0,4354.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  Yeah.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I’d want to have it done electronically.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Yeah.  Now, today’s performance is a, is a piano…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Today is piano.  Lucas Richman is doing it.  He’s doing a concert version of it.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And there are how many people in the cast?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Four.  Just the principals.  There’s a Leah, David, Chaya, and Beryl.  The…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  And when you say just the principals, you mean there are other parts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4354.0,4374.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"STRASSBURG:  It, it could have a choral part, but I did it as a chamber ar-, some, something that any synagogue could do.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  When it was done with, Smolover did it, I assume? \u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.  Right.  It was, it was premiered at the YMHA on 92nd Street in New York.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Oh.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4374.0,4390.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN:  What, in ’50s…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  In ’55.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Who conducted it?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  Ray — it doesn’t require a conductor, you know.  It’s a chamber music opera…\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Who played the piano? Who played the piano?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASSBURG:  I’ve forgotten.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN:  Do you have a program of it from ’55?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4390.0,4403.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e I, somewhere in there.  God knows it’s, where these things are. You know, in moving, I’ve lost so much stuff when I moved from one place to another.  I lost one carton of music. You know, I did, in, when I was in Miami, I did for the city of Miami Beach, a pageant, a whole evening pageant — Sand In Your Shoes — the history of Miami.  How Miami came to be, and who Flagler was, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4403.0,4433.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"LEVIN: It’s lost?\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eSTRASBOURG: And I lost, I lost, I lost my cello concerto that Piatigorsky liked. He was going to do. I moved from one place to another. How it, how it disappeared — fugues and inventions and all sorts of stuff. What am I going to do? And then I did a hundred freelance, what they call wild track recordings while I was in the, while I was in New York doing film music. And that disappeared.\u003cbr\u003e\u003cbr\u003eLEVIN: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4433.0,4466.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777/transcript/24228/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSTRASSBURG:\u003c/strong\u003e But I mean, what are you going to do?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/39402/file/110777#t=4466.0,4480.27733"}]}]}]}