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Between two guys that are, really represent the cantorial history of Los Angeles.  But I’m also a four-generation member of the congregation that started in this building.\n\nKELEMER:  Ah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=16.0,30.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  And so it makes everything very sweet, so we’re going to take each other on a tour… \n\nFORDIS: Wonderful, wonderful.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: …of this beautiful building, of Congregation Sinai at 12th and Valencia Streets in Los Angeles.\n\nKELEMER:  Tell us about this section here before…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I’m told that, through scholarship and through lectures that I’ve heard, that this was the first Conservative congregation in all of Southern California.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=30.0,53.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  It’s true.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It was primarily a Catholic community, and for all three movements to be represented in 1906, when Sinai was incorporated.  In 1903, they drew up their charter.  Had many different things, as part of the desire, not to stand as an answer between Reform, and which was represented by B’nai B’rith’s shul, which was later the Wilshire Boulevard Temple…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=53.0,74.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Right, right.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …and Beth Israel, which was Orthodox.  But to stand for Conservative Judaism, Rabbinic…\n\nKELEMER:  And the Judaism?  They used the name?  They called it Conservative Judaism.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  They called it Rabbinic Judaism.\n\nKELEMER:  Rabbinic.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Conservative was the early movement, because, as we’ll see when we go inside…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=74.0,87.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Were they part of a movement, or they started something.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  There was no movement yet.  They, they took the Solomon Schechter kernel, the idea.\n\nKELEMER:  I see.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And later Abraham Kaplan, because the later, later leadership, Agunes….\n\nKELEMER:  Once they were established, were they part of the rabbinate, the cantors…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  They later, they later joined the Conservative movement, as movements go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=87.0,108.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Yeah.  They moved in here in 1911.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The cornerstone, which is somewhere…\n\nFORDIS:  In 1909.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In 1909.  In fact, there it is over on the corner.  Let’s take a look.\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.  I see it now.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It’s important just… 5669.  So in 1909, this cornerstone was laid.\n\nKELEMER:  5668.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  5668.  Thank you.  ’68, that’s correct.\n\nFORDIS:  And that’s of course 1909.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=108.0,132.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELLEMBER:  Wow, this, this is interesting.  \n\nSILVERSTEIN: When the congregation formed itself as Congregation Sinai, they had this concept — Adonai mi Sinai boch — God cometh forth from Sinai.  And you’ll see the manifestations of this.  And they say Jews have an Oedipus complex, an edifice…\n\nFORDIS:  Edifice.  Edifice complex.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=132.0,150.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Edifice complex.  But this is the genius of this particular synagogue, because it always moved to keep up with the members.  It didn’t stay behind.  And that’s why the building is in good hands today.\n\nKELEMER:  The rabbi was from where?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Isidore Meyers.  These were Scarbova Yeshiva.\n\nKELEMER:  Scarbova Yeshiva.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Eastern European.\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=150.0,166.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  These, these were not Ashkenazim, per se.  A little farther East.\n\nKELEMER:  Farther.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And they, they liked the idea of the shtibl, but they wanted to enjoy the aesthetic as well.  So it, what appears to be a modern building…\n\nFORDIS:  Apparently, apparently, they were, they were rather well-to-do, were they not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=166.0,181.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  These were the earliest Los Angeles Jewish merchants.\n\nFORDIS:  Uh huh.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Who had great fortunes and took great risk.  Of course, when this area was brand-new, in the, in the turn of the century, the turn of the 20th century, they, like every shul, were itinerant for a couple of years.  But, but so briefly — they held their first devotions at the B’nai B’rith Hall…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …which you can still see from the Santa Monica Freeway, which of course wasn’t here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=181.0,201.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  And they always had a cantor?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It was Cantor Katz.  His…\n\nKELEMER:  A local man, a local man?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  He was brought in also, New York.  And like in New York, in Borough Park, where you used to go to see or hear your favorite hazzan, the cantor here would compete — to use a friendly expression\n\nKELEMER: Really?\n\nSILVERSTEIN: — with the, the gentleman from Beth Israel.  So you maybe have gone to shakhris here, and to mussaf down the street.\n\nKELEMER:  But they, they already used the organ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=201.0,223.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  They used the organ.  This organ was installed — now, it’s interesting you say organ.\n\nKELEMER:  Who was it?  Who was it?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In 1911.  When we go into the building, why don’t, why don’t we take a look at some of the nice things here?  That really distinguished it.  It was the first, in the charter of the congregation…\n\nKELEMER: To have it.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: …there was a, a requirement that there be musical accompaniment, organ and choir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=223.0,240.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  And who was the organist at the time?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Eva Shauer is the first one that I know of, in 1925.\n\nKELEMER:  Sam Wiebenstock. Yah, yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  But the names here are long lost to us, at least, in the scholarship available.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=240.0,250.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Any people left?  Any descendants?  Near descendants?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Actually, Judge David Lippert, who just passed away, olav hasholom, a year and a half ago, whose wife just turned 90.  He had his bar mitzvah in this building.\n\nKELEMER:  Really?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In, in the ‘20s.\n\nKELEMER:  That’s interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=250.0,266.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Just, just prior to the move to 4th and New Hampshire, which was the second location.  So if you, if you take a look at the, the outside of it, it’s a modest building, by temple standards — certainly not the grand palaces that they have in New York.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.\n\nKELEMER:  Did they have a school?  Did they have a school?  Or a Sunday School?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  No, it’s a Talmud Torah perhaps.  \n\nFORDIS: Talmud Torah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: Not in this, not in this location.\n\nKELEMER:  Not in this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=266.0,282.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  They have, they had a a milchik kitchen and a flayshik kitchen.\n\nKELEMER:  Ay, God.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Which automatically distinguished it.\n\nKELEMER:  And a pareve kitchen.  A pareve kitchen.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And they still have it.\n\nFORDIS: And a pareve.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The newspapers of the…\n\nFORDIS:  You know, Uri Frankel mentioned to somebody, and with some conviction, apparently…\n\nKELEMER:  To me.\n\nFORDIS:  That I was married here in this synagogue.\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  No, no, I don’t think so.\n\nFORDIS:  Not in this synagogue.  I was married in the New Hampshire Sinai.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=282.0,300.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  You know, I told him New Hampshire Sinai.  He doesn’t want to listen to it.  He recognizes the place, he knows the place. No talking to him.\n\nFORDIS:  It was there. It was.\n\nKELEMER:  To you, mazel tov.  You were — by the way, you were married legally, because I was the cantor.\n\nFORDIS:  And you know who the rabbi was?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You, you married Sam?\n\nKELEMER:  Weinstein? \n\nFORDIS:  Sam Weinstein.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Sam Weinstein, absolutely.  The psychologist.  A psychiatrist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=300.0,319.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  You know, before we go in, I just… you’ve been a cantor how many years?\n\nFORDIS:  Forty-one.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Forty-one, and Sam?\n\nKELEMER:  Sixty-eight years.\n\nFORDIS:  Well, actually, 41, I’ve been a cantor in synagogues, permanently, for 41 years.  I go back over 60 years.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You guys were, you guys were babies. We’re all babies.  Yeah, we were all babies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=319.0,338.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  What do you see?  If you squint your eyes, you can see — now look at this carefully.  Here are the six points — one, two, three, four, five, six — do you see that?  It’s Magen David.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Magen David.  You know, and this is…\n\nFORDIS:  And this is original.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Typical of an architect that wants to play with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=338.0,352.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  You can’t find…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You don’t, you don’t come into shul the same way, right?\n\nKELEMER:  No, but it’s in the style of Magen Abraham.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Magen Abraham.\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah.\n\nFORDIS:  And of course, this is original.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=352.0,361.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Now, there’s a rosette window which we can’t see from here, but we’ll be able to see it on the outside.\n\nKELEMER:  Oh, I’d love to see that.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You know, architects, even then, wanted to make the, the synagogue have eyes, so the outside world could come.  Only to a point, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=361.0,373.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS: I agree, I agree, yes. These are the original doors.  They had to, I understand that they had to do a little bit of work on it, but these are the original doors. And of course, here, we see the Magen David all over.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yeah.\n\nFORDIS:  When the Welsh Presbyterian church took over, they did not take those away.\n\nKELEMER:  The organ loft.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I’m going to take a look.\n\nFORDIS:  The organ loft, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=373.0,395.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  You know, you pointed out to me before…\n\nKELEMER:  These are, these are new.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …that the pews on this floor — it’s a two-level synagogue, almost as a traditional, they did not separate men and women here.  They had mixed seating.\n\nFORDIS:  That’s true.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Which was one of the first distinctions…\n\nKELEMER:  First time.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …between what the Orthodox would not allow and the Reform…\n\nFORDIS:  And the mechitza.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The mechitza.  So there was a borrowing and interchange, but they wanted to have their own identity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=395.0,418.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  They came by car Shabbes.  They had to come.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  They did.  But they wore hats.  You know how we know this?  Sam pointed out…\n\nFORDIS:  We noticed that upstairs, in the original seating, they had, underneath the seats, you see — these seats down here, incidentally, were not pews, they were seats, individual seats.\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=418.0,435.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  And you, underneath were the hat racks.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Hat racks.\n\nKELEMER:  Just for Shabbes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Every gentleman wore a hat, and whether he had…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …beneath it or not was something we didn’t, we didn’t…\n\nKELEMER:  In England, they wore…\n\nFORDIS:  Now, you mentioned something about the, earlier, did you, about the organ?\n\n0:","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=435.0,450.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Well, you know, that’s, that was the distinguishing feature.  Because they wanted to have a service that was aesthetic.  Not without murmurai (?), without people interacting.  But they insisted, like the mikdash and pesachim and zayrim, where they described the organ in the great temple, that the founders wanted to have the beauty that the Reform, I guess, were wont to enjoy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=450.0,470.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Which mussif did they say?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Pesachim and zayrim.\n\nKELEMER:  Pesachim, pesachim.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Pesachim, I believe…\n\nKELEMER:  Zayrim.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Zayrim… also have…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …something to do.  And you can see it from here.  It’s in the original state.  Even with the, the speaking pipes behind the decorated pipes.  And there’s no attempt to hide them.  You know, there’s no attempt to conceal what they are.\n\nKELEMER:  The choir sang from up there, or…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=470.0,489.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  The choir sang from up there, and this is…\n\nKELEMER:  Women’s voices?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=489.0,494.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Women’s voices.  Mixed choir.  Mixed choir, even in 190-- 1910, 1911.  I was to understand that that, that’s a Murray Harris organ, a full-pipe organ.  About five, six ranks.  And if you notice the, the blue lights?  The, the caretaker told me, they’ve always been blue bulbs.  And he didn’t understand why.  I said “oh, like ner neshama.”\n\nKELEMER:  Neshama.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=494.0,516.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  But they say they just spent $40,000 to put this in shape.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yeah.  Well, sure.  Sam pointed out something else that’s, that’s new to this building.  That these steel girders, of course, were not here.\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.  Yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Before, and that’s due to the earthquake.\n\nKELEMER:  And bullet, bullet, bullet-proof windows.\n\nFORDIS:  Well, just, just the, these outstanding ones.  They have Plexiglas on the outside.\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.  Yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  To prevent, you know, vandals from…\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=516.0,539.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  But these were put up either in ’71 or in the, not in the recent earthquake, because the building, if they didn’t bring it up to code, was going to be razed.\n\nKELEMER:  What’s interesting…\n\nFORDIS:  I think it’s very significant that…\n\nKELEMER:  Sam?\n\nFORDIS:  …that they’ve taken such pride in maintaining this building, the beauty of this building.\n\nKELEMER:  What’s interesting that each, each month they have a tour here, from the Historical Society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=539.0,558.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  I thought you…\n\nKELEMER:  And a hundred people come.  Each month.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I thought you guys would find this interesting.  This is the, the book, The History of Jews of Los Angeles, by Max Vorspan, Rabbi Max Vorspan…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes, yes, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=558.0,568.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  …and Lloyd Gartner.  And just, if I may, a couple of, couple of paragraphs, it’s just very fascinating.  “Early in 1904, less than four years after the foundation of Beth Israel,” which was the Orthodox temple, “it was ‘rumored that another synagogue is to go up in this city.’”  That’s the way the press read at the time.  “’On this question, we may say that Los Angeles is supplied with two — the Reform temple,’” which was…\n\nKELEMER:  B’nai B'rith.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=568.0,591.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  …B’nai B’rith, later Wilshire Boulevard, “’and the Orthodox, which we believe is quite sufficient for the present.’”  Isn’t that something?  “Which we believe is quite sufficient.”\n\n“In disregard of this editorial frown, the first service of the new congregation, Sinai,” this building, “was held,” — not in this building, I’m wrong —","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=591.0,607.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"“December 14th, 1906, at the B’nai B’rith Hall,” which we mentioned before.  “Unlike the beginnings of most bodies in a religious origin, its origin was not cloudy or improvised.  Rabbi Isidore Myers was on hand to speak about Sinai and Cantor M. Katz” — did you know him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=607.0,624.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Oy. [laughs]\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  “It is recorded, reportedly dazzled the assemblage, even without the announced choir.”  Though they used choir here, and of course, we know that they moved into this building soon thereafterwards. And here’s what it says — “The new temple had weathered oak furnishings and tinting and blending shades in brown and blue” — that’s probably where they got the idea from.\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  “With splendid art glass in windows and a magnificent pipe organ.”  Isn’t that something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=624.0,647.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it was a, it was the talk of the town even in this, in this dustbowl.  In this desert of, of Los Angeles. Why don’t we go to the bima?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=647.0,655.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS: Okay. Now, I noticed that they, they have not changed the aron kodesh.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  No.  In fact, I, I left the doors open.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, did you?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Just slightly, because you can see where probably the, aron kodesh, of course, you know, where we keep the sefrei Torah — I don’t have to tell you guys that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=655.0,676.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Go ahead.\n\nFORDIS:  Age before beauty.\n\nKELEMER:  (Sings) Ki m’tzion teytsey Torah…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=676.0,687.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  And of course, there’s nothing in it now, but…\n\nKELEMER:  By the way, the clock, the clock — Sam, was the clock for the rabbi or for the cantor?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Interesting.\n\nFORDIS:  This was the original shofar.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Very good.  If you look in the chandelier, which is also original…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=687.0,702.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  You see that it’s probably done — I don’t know what kind of material that is, it looks to be here from marble.  But as the caretaker also pointed out, the building is deceptive, because all these beams are hollow.  They’re not support beams.  They’re just made to look that way.  And while the beams themselves are wood, the little carvings are plaster cast.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=702.0,722.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, you’re aware of the fact that, that there is, that the steel girders that absolutely surround, underneath the building, through the top and everything, because they, this building was going to be condemned.  And the only way the…\n\nKELEMER:  The earthquake.\n\nFORDIS:  …the church here could maintain it was to do that.  They spent $250,000 doing that.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  On this…\n\nKELEMER:  Sam?\n\nFORDIS:  It’s almost a hundred years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=722.0,745.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Sam?  See the clock?  Was that for the rabbi’s sermon, or for the cantor?  That’s important, that’s important. \n\nSILVERSTEIN:  But you know, they used to duchen here.  There was a duchen…\n\nKELEMER:  Duchen.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  There used to be a, there was a duchen…\n\nKELEMER: Ah!\n\nSILVERSTEIN: …in here, and you know, the Kohanim would come, and….\n\nKELEMER:  Beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=745.0,759.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Did you ever do that in your career?\n\nKELEMER:  Certainly.  In the early years, everybody had to do it.\n\nFORDIS:  I do it in my synagogue today, would you believe it?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Do you really?\n\nKELEMER: Yeah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: In Modern Conservative temple?\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.  I’m not crazy about the idea, but…\n\nKELEMER:  I did a service for him…\n\nSILVERSTEIN: Interesting. \n\nKELEMER: …they came up with the…\n\nFORDIS: That’s right.\n\nKELEMER: …every Shabbes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=759.0,770.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  That’s why this was a delicious blend of all those things…\n\nKELEMER: Wow.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: …that were brand new.  Right?  Accompanied music in a shul.  Right?  With a pipe organ.\n\nKELEMER:  And they have to cover their heads with a tallis, so they wore the tallisim.  The duchen.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Cover their head with a tallisim.\n\nFORDIS:  You really don’t need a microphone, you know?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Look at that.\n\nFORDIS:  Sing a note, sing a note.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=770.0,786.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  (Sings a couple of notes)  Sing a note, up!\n\nKELEMER:  Probably they didn’t have a microphone.\n\nFORDIS: No.\n\nKELEMER:  Why did they need a microphone? Ay, yai yai.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=786.0,793.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  What’s also magnificent is the tooling on the, on the work, all the way through this building.  You notice one thing that moderns probably would have trouble dealing with.  We’re, we’re in the summertime now.  At the beginning of summer.  And of course, it’s not air conditioned.  Now, proper gentlemen came with their high collars and their ties and their hats.  And probably sat through a service equal to the length, if not longer, than what we officiated at today.  How’d they do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=793.0,820.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, how did we do it?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  How’d you guys do it?  You guys had no air conditioning in your day?\n\nFORDIS:  You know, you know how we did it?  When we were kids, we sang in the choirs in the Orthodox shuls, how did we do it?\n\nKELEMER:  No, no organs.  None.\n\nFORDIS:  We had, we had smelling salts.  Because we used to faint.\n\nKELEMER: Ah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Really?\n\nFORDIS:  We had to literally faint.  And so we had smelling salts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=820.0,837.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  And by the way, you know how many weddings they had here?\n\nFORDIS:  No.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Did you officiate in later days?\n\nKELEMER:  No.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The congregation moved in 1924.\n\nKELEMER:  To?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  To 4th and New Hampshire, which is the second location, and then, in ’60, to the Wilshire Boulevard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=837.0,849.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, that’s interesting, because Mr. Phillips, here, said that they, they purchased this in 1927.  What happened in those three years?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Like the second building, it was probably a drain on the congregation’s resources to keep paying this mortgage for a vacant building.  And they looked for a buyer, and I suspect — and I didn’t ask Mr. Phillips or anybody else — that they waited for someone who would take care of the building, as they have, for all these years.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=849.0,873.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  And wouldn’t fall apart.  And wouldn’t let it.  So, too, with the second building.  They waited until someone would buy it, and a Korean Presbyterian church…\n\nFORDIS:  You know, when you consider that, that the membership here — when I say “membership,” I’m not talking about families.  I was told the membership here today is only 150.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=873.0,886.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  In the high…\n\nFORDIS:  Can you imagine?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Do you know when they had to move?\n\nFORDIS:  And they keep this up.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  When they moved, they had 230-plus members; it was already too crowded, because it, as we were told…\n\nFORDIS:  Well, no.  He said, he said that at the height they had 450 members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=886.0,902.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  At Congregation Sinai, or in the…\n\nFORDIS:  No, here.  The Welsh, the Welsh…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I’m talking about when Sinai moved.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh.  When Sinai moved.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  When Sinai moved, they only had about 230 members.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It was already too small.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, sure.\n\nKELEMER:  And Sinai became larger seating.  How many seats did they have at New Hampshire?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Fourth and New Hampshire could seat 1400.  We’re told that this building could seat, how many?\n\nKELEMER:  Three hundred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=902.0,920.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Two hundred downstairs.  Maybe, maybe 260, something like that.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Total.  Total capacity.  Now can you imagine?  As the city grew, so did the congregation.  And rather than abandon their plans, the congregation moved.  And hazzanically, and musically, for our purposes, it was always a showplace.  Not in a theatrical sense, but for wonderful, traditional davenning.  You had murmurai, and you had excellent hazzanut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=920.0,946.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  What year did Urstein come here?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Urstein was not on the scene until ’47.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, no, no.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  He followed Leib Glantz.\n\nKELEMER:  So who was before him?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Leib Glantz, in the…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=946.0,955.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  And then, oh, yeah, I remember.  By the way, you know, I remember when he came.  It was for the press in New York, and he was with an organ, he was criticized.  The whole thing I remember.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Urstein too.  They asked Urstein…\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …in ’47, “Would you come to L.A.?”  He said, “Excuse me.  What’s an L.A.?”  What’s an L.A.?  So Glantz, he got bad press for that.  But he, you know, he loved it.\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=955.0,975.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Lillian Klass was his organist, of course, in those days.  And she’d say he would warm up, probably on a C above middle C.  That’s where he started davenning.  And by mussaf, Kiddusha, he was ready to do that famous Sh’ma Koleinu — Sh’ma Yisroel.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.  Sh’ma Yisroel.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yisroel.\n\nFORDIS:  The Kiddusha.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yeah.  And the Kiddusha.  And he was probably one of the…\n\nKELEMER:  Quite a history.  Quite a history.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  That’s wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=975.0,995.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  You know, it’s interesting, when you say that.  I, I davenned with him for over three years, maybe even longer, at Shaarei Tefila.  I was in his choir.  I never heard him do it there.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Really?\n\nFORDIS:  Never once did he do the Sh’ma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=995.0,1010.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, as a youngster, as a teenager, I was a hazzan also in the Sinai Temple on New Hampshire.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  On New Hampshire Street.\n\nFORDIS:  And I was married there.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  ‘Cause you guys, you guys are music, liturgical music.  You’ll be happy to know…\n\nKELEMER:  I know.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …that the cantor here, like in New York, they compete with each other.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  But it’s interesting that Rabbi Vorspan found out that the feeling for liturgical chant in this place reached deeper than theological interests.  So it was the music, even then, that attracted the younger people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1010.0,1039.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, obviously, obviously they had many mavenim here.  You know.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Well, that understood the….  Look at the trouble they went to build this, this loft.\n\nFORDIS:  Yes, yes, beautiful.\n\nKELEMER:  Were there American-born already in this congregation?  American-born?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I suspect not.\n\nKELEMER:  European.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1039.0,1053.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  There, yet, I’m wrong.  The Lipperts, who I had mentioned before, he is an American-born.  And when he had his bar mitzvah on this pulpit, he remembers very clearly — I don’t know, he remembered to me very clearly — what the day felt like, at, at the new Sinai Temple on the third floor.  You can see the photographs going back to this building, and all the confirmation kids are lined up on this pulpit.  And he’s there on his, not, you have to help me out now.  Spats, is that right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1053.0,1080.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Yes, spats, absolutely.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  With the lederhosen, I don’t know how you say it.\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, my gosh.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And the little, the buggy pants, and all the…\n\nFORDIS:  The little knickers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1080.0,1089.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Was that an experience to be in a Shabbes, or on the holidays.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yeah, with music.  But you mentioned Glantz before, that you had a personal relationship with him, too?\n\nKELEMER:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  When he was at Sinai?\n\nKELEMER:  No.  In New York.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In New York.  Did you know him out here, as a…\n\nKELEMER:  Yes, certainly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1089.0,1101.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, you know, David, I don’t know whether you know this, but I sang in his choir for over three years, steadily.  You know, Shabbat, the shalosh regalim, the High Holy Days, and so on.  And I studied him very carefully.  Very, very carefully.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Nuances, musical nuances or physical nuances?\n\nFORDIS:  No, no, no, no.\n\nKELEMER:  Both.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1101.0,1120.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  No.  No.  It was, it was the….  And Glantz said to me — I davenned there at Shaarei Tefila one time — and he said to me, “Young man,” he says, “you’re going to be a fine hazzan.”\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  He was right.\n\nFORDIS:  That was the highest compliment I ever got.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: He was right.\n\nFORDIS:  You know, that was the first time that I ever davenned there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1120.0,1140.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Well, I remember a cute story about you two guys.  That you were considered a wunderkind, which is a wonderful…\n\nFORDIS:  Well, I was here in Los Angeles.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In Los Angeles.  So you, and, and you told me a story that one day your doorbell rang…\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …and go ahead, finish the story.  I love the story.  One day the doorbell rang and the other wunderkind was on the other side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1140.0,1158.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  No, the doorbell.  And, and the fellow who’s at the door says — I’ve forgotten exactly, Shmulik, do you remember what you said?  Something about, “I am the Shmulik.”\n\nKELEMER:  “I’m the original.”\n\nFORDIS:  “I’m the original Shmulik.”\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The original Shmulik.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1158.0,1173.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  The original Shmulik. Well, how did I know about him?  When I was going, doing the circuit here in Los Angeles, and in San Francisco, and I davenned here and, and singing on the radio, Yiddish Radio Hour every Sunday night, I got pretty swell-headed.  My father brought home a record.  It was an RC, what was it — the RCA label? Um… the Victor label, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1173.0,1196.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"He brought home a record, and I hear some kid davenning, and he’s doing Sh’ma Koleinu, and I had never in my life — he was absolutely sensational.  And that brought me down.  And then I looked, who is this guy?  You know, I was so jealous I couldn’t sing for a week.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1196.0,1213.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Tell me, in the, in New York, I know…\n\nFORDIS:  That was Shmulikl.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It was Shmulik?\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah, it was Shmulikl.  Shmulik.  And I was known as Shmulikl out here.\n\nKELEMER:  The original.\n\nFORDIS:  Then he comes, then he comes out here to Los Angeles.  What year was that?  19…\n\nKELEMER:  ’40…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1213.0,1226.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  No.\n\nKELEMER:  I was here before.\n\nFORDIS:  No, no.  It was 1950-something.\n\nKELEMER:  Oh, that’s right around…\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.  1950.  He comes to my door — “I am the original Shmulik.”\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I am the original Shmulik.  Tell me, did, did Glantz take kids around, like Ganchoff would in New York, and take them to different weddings?  So when you were, when you were kinders…\n\nKELEMER:  No, no, no.\n\nFORDIS:  No.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  They wouldn’t do that here?\n\nFORDIS:  No.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  They’d take them in a car.  Murray Cohen, the caterer at Sinai Temple today…\n\nKELEMER:  No, no, that was…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …was one of Ganchoff’s boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1226.0,1248.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Sterner.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Sterner would do that.\n\nFORDIS:  I,  I have a feeling that Lind might have done it in Chicago.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In Chicago.\n\nFORDIS:  You know.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  I hear all these wonderful stories of guys packed into cars and…\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah, but the cantor walked in with a high C.  (Sings) Ma tovu!\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And can you imagine weddings here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1248.0,1265.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  And sometimes, sometimes the kids would sing as they were walking, Ma tovu — Ma tovu was very big.  You know, this was in Chicago.\n\nKELEMER:  And Oh, Promise Me and Because had to part of the ceremony.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  In a Jewish ceremony?\n\nKELEMER:  Oh…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1265.0,1276.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  I must tell you, they had a soloist one, at a wedding I was presiding over, and the woman was singing Because, and it came out like this — (sings) “Big whores you came to me…”\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Big whores.\n\nFORDIS:  She had…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  It was a different pronunciation like that.  With the millel and mirwar (?).\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.  But I almost went into hysterics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1276.0,1294.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  No.  Weddings in New York ended with the…\n\nFORDIS:  (Sings) Big whores you come to me…\n\nKELEMER:  …the twin cantors who had a…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Well, it was you and your brother.  Didn’t you?\n\nKELEMER:  No.  We did the movie.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You did the movie.\n\nKELEMER:  The movie.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  B. Toklas, right?\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1294.0,1303.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  But the original.  They had a big hall.\n\nFORDIS:  Alice B. Toklas.\n\nKELEMER:  …and the big bills, and they said catering’s out.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  But they didn’t market it as hot as New York, I understand.  It was a little more dignified.\n\nFORDIS:  No, not here.  Sure it was.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Not sure as much…\n\nFORDIS:  It was far more dignified.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  So it was interesting, because they would say, “Oh, on the West Coast…”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1303.0,1320.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  No, in New York, they developed it to the nth degree.  I mean, you know.\n\nKELEMER:  It was all business there.\n\nFORDIS:  It was so commercial.  Oh, come on, you know.\n\nKELEMER:  Sure.  There was one… by the way, who is an opera singer now, Shicoff.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Neil Shicoff.\n\nFORDIS: Yeah sure.\n\nKELEMER:  I knew his father’s grandfather in Brownsville.  Only weddings.  And constantly, four or five weddings.  They ran around.  Shicoff.  Pereleh Shicoff.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Isn’t that something?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1320.0,1345.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Yeah.  That’s, that’s his grandfather.\n\nFORDIS:  I know the name.\n\nKELEMER:  Shicoff.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yeah, ‘cause in this community, a cantor was probably a commodity that was so desired because — rabbis were venerated because how could you get a rabbi to move to the West Coast?  But a cantor, taka, who could inspire a congregation like this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1345.0,1361.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, of course, David.  You, you realize, you’re a student, you realize that the first clergyman in the United States was a cantor.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Was a cantor.\n\nKELEMER:  Sayches.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Exactly.\n\nKELEMER:  (INAUDIBLE)\n\nFORDIS:  He was a showman.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And all the different things that the hazzan does today, right?\n\nKELEMER:  The Sephardim, Sephardim.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1361.0,1382.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Can you imagine the sounds that were heard in this room?\n\nFORDIS:  Ah.\n\nKELEMER:  A lot of stories can be told.  Did they find the records?  They still have the minutes of the meetings?\n\nFORDIS:  I can, I think I can hear…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  We still have at the new building…\n\nFORDIS:  …the Lewandowsky Ma tovu, I think I can hear it here.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  On this organ?\n\nFORDIS:  You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1382.0,1397.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  It’s a, an original with the place, with all those things that made music so important for us, you know, that you were inspired by.  I found my Jewish soul at Sinai Wilshire, when I heard this beautiful music and beautiful hazzanim.  It was really quite something.\n\nKELEMER:  Los Angeles can be proud of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1397.0,1416.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Well, and the fact that they had music as the top priority…\n\nKELEMER: Yeah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: …for us who practiced that daily, is really quite something.\n\nKELEMER:  It’s interesting to note that they had at the time a Sisterhood, a minister, they must have had the whole…\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Well, they did.  If you go in the back, you know they have, as Sam pointed out, the two kitchens…\n\nKELEMER:  Yah.  Yah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …and different…\n\nKELEMER:  Milkhiks and flayshikhs.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …different set-up, of course.  And I would put social halls behind.\n\nFORDIS:  And you entered the third one.  Pareve.\n\nKELEMER:  Pareve?  Nisht ay im, nisht ay im.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1416.0,1440.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Do you know when you get, when you get to the Yom HaDin, God is going to ask you, where was it written pareve?  That’s going to be the question.\n\nFORDIS:  I see.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  You’ve lived a righteous life, I can ask you that.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1440.0,1451.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  From an historical point of view, after all that we’ve talked about, this, this, which was a synagogue and, and went over to New Hampshire and then to Wilshire and so on, there is a, a thread that goes through it all.  Hazzanic-wise, what, what is your estimation, your estimate of what, what has developed hazzanically, since those days here in Los Angeles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1451.0,1472.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Well, we’ve always had great opportunities here, as far as I’ve been able to read and study.  And musically, hazzanically, it’s always been supported.  This, this basically non-Jewish community of Los Angeles has become more Jewish, of course — the third-largest in the world.  But hazzanically, it’s grown.  We have a composer’s…\n\nKELEMER:  The outgrowth of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1472.0,1491.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  The outgrowth is people like myself or my son, I hope one day, that, that, that captured in a building like this, that said it’s okay to daven with your heart, to daven with your voice, and to hear rabbonish done properly.  And you know, inspire people through the music of the synagogue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1491.0,1505.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And that’s what happened with me when I was Josh’s age, or even younger.  Yeah.  To hear you guys daven, hear you guys sing.  And then to read that it was a long line of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1505.0,1514.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Well, you know something?  My, my father was an unsuccessful hazzan here in the United States, because he didn’t know enough music.  He saw to it — I’ve mentioned this before — that I did get a musical background.  But the, the Fordis — it was not F-O-R-D-I-S.  Our name was…\n\nSILVERSTEIN: Ah, T-I-S.\n\nFORDIS: …Fortis.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: tis.\n\nFORDIS: Fortis, it was of Spanish derivation.  And since the Baal Shem Tov, there was a Fortis, who was a disciple, and every generation there were hazzanim, and my son, Ron, is a hazzan in this, in this city. \n\nSILVERSTEIN: Is a hazzan also.\n\nFORDIS: Yeah.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  And hazzanas seep through your family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1514.0,1544.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, I, I can’t resist.  You know, in the, in the Welsh congregation that, that uses this building has a wonderful a cappella male…\n\nKELEMER:  Male choir.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  …quartet, which is probably taken from our tradition, too, as far as that goes.  Should we do a little something?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  How long do you think it’s been since Sinai Temple on 12th and Valencia Streets, the congregation has heard hazzanas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1544.0,1562.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Seventy years?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  At least.\n\nFORDIS:  At least.  Seventy-one years?  All right.  What do you think, Shmulik?\n\nKELEMER:  She Yibanei beit hamikdash…\n\n(THEY ALL SING IT)","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1562.0,1592.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  When you know it, you’ll teach it to me.\n\nFORDIS:  It’s been too long.  It’s been too long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1592.0,1598.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS: Let me see, let me see here. Let me see who’s in there.\n\nKELEMER: B’vakasha.\n\nFORDIS:  Philip Model…\n\nSILVERSTEIN: Hang on, hang on.\n\nFORDIS: …with Lewandowsky.\n\nKELEMER:  Lewandowsky. Katzman.\n\nFORDIS:  Katzman, Kinori, Kogan.\n\nKELEMER:  Kogan.\n\nFORDIS:  And Schwartzkin.\n\nKELEMER:  Schwartzkin.\n\nFORDIS:  And in the back, Berele Kelemer.  Who is that?  Is that Maury…\n\nKELEMER:  Shmulik.\n\nFORDIS:  …Maury Glick?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1598.0,1620.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Yes.\n\nSILVERSTEIN: Yeah.\n\nFORDIS:  Oh, for goodness’ sake.\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah, he was already the President of the Cantors’ Association.\n\nFORDIS:  And Shmulik Kelemer.  Hey!  You were a pretty good-looking guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1620.0,1625.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Absolutely.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Is that Moddel?  That’s Phil Moddel?\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.  Yes.  Phil Moddel.\n\nKELEMER:  But look —\n\nFORDIS:  That’s all…\n\nKELEMER:  Here was the head table.  And I have 10, 20 pictures…\n\nFORDIS:  Let’s see what’s what.\n\nKELEMER:  …from 20 tables.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Is that right?\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah.  So you see all the cantors.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  How many of these guys were on the West Coast?\n\nFORDIS:  All of them.  \n\nSILVERSTEIN: This is our, this is our whole region then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1625.0,1642.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"KELEMER:  Here’s Sharlin, here is Sol Silverman.\n\nFORDIS:  Sol Silverman.  And his wife.\n\nKELEMER:  Let me see.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Urstein is sitting right here.\n\nKELEMER:  Berele.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah. Uh-huh. Okay.  Now what do you want us to do with this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1642.0,1657.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  Just what we just did.\n\nKELEMER:  He wants you to…\n\nFORDIS:  Well, here, here you have Phillip Moddel on the right.\n\nKELEMER:  But tell him, the…\n\nFORDIS:  All right.\n\nKELEMER:  …from where this comes.  When I came here, at Beth Am, I…\n\nFORDIS:  You had a luncheon.\n\nKELEMER:  …I had a luncheon for the retired…\n\nFORDIS:  For the retired cantors.\n\nKELEMER:  …cantors.  However, in the hall, we had tables — about 10, 20 tables — and all the cantors, and I have the pictures of them.\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.  Now…\n\nKELEMER:  They can be…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1657.0,1680.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  …however, not all of these cantors were retired at the time.  You have…\n\nKELEMER:  No, no, no.\n\nFORDIS:  Ronald Reich here.\n\nKELEMER:  No, no.  Only these…\n\nFORDIS:  Only the seated ones.\n\nKELEMER:  …only the seated ones.\n\nFORDIS:  Lewandowsky.\n\nKELEMER:  Lewandowsky.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Is that a relative of B. Levandovsky?\n\nFORDIS:  Yes, it says.\n\nKELEMER:  He was a nephew.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  A nephew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1680.0,1692.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  Yes.  And here, he lives in San Diego.\n\nKELEMER:  Hazzan Katzman.\n\nFORDIS:  And then Hazzan Katzman, Nate Katzman’s father.  \n\nSILVERSTEIN: Ah I see.\n\nFORDIS: And Hazzan Kinori.\n\nKELEMER:  Oh, Kinori.\n\nFORDIS:  Remember Kinori?\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  Yes, I do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1692.0,1701.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  He died, he died at a rehearsal we had, the cantors.\n\nKELEMER:  Yeah, I was there.  And the President of the cantors…\n\nFORDIS:  The President of the Farband, Hazzan Kogan, Hazzan Schwartzkin.  Those, these are the people whom we, whom we visited at the Home of Peace.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  The Home of Peace Cemetery, yeah.\n\nFORDIS:  Here’s Shmulik…","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1701.0,1715.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SILVERSTEIN:  And you know, out in the Valley, San Fernando Valley, is Paul Discount. Right?  At VJCC?  Was one of the early guys, right?  Was he a member of your group?\n\nFORDIS:  No.  Discount is buried at Home of Peace, too.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  At Home of Peace, too.\n\nFORDIS:  Yeah, we, we went through that, yes.  And, oh, here’s a picture of Sol Silverman, olav hasholom.\n\nKELEMER:  Sol Silverman.\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.\n\nKELEMER:  Sharlin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1715.0,1732.0"},{"id":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948/transcript/38819/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FORDIS:  He was a hazzan for so many years at Temple Israel in Hollywood.  Hazzan William Sharlin.\n\nKELEMER:  And Moddel.\n\nFORDIS:  Yes.\n\nKELEMER:  Myself.\n\nFORDIS:  Of course.\n\nKELEMER:  Myself.  And, and Maury Glick, and Berele, my brother Berele Kelemer.\n\nFORDIS:  And Berele Kelemer.  Yes.\n\nKELEMER:  You have…\n\nFORDIS:  All right.  And there’s Uri Frankel, singing, and Nathan Katzman.\n\nSILVERSTEIN:  There’s Nate Katzman.\n\nFORDIS:  Here we are.  I think that wraps it up, gentlemen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://milken.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1159/collection_resources/40284/file/111948#t=1732.0,1763.11467"}]}]}]}